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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, November 15, 2013 6:06 AM

MAGNIFICO GREG!!!! That is a seriously well done 190. Greg, You have done an excellent job all the way from assembly, to painting, to detailing, to weathering. I do have an observation. From your pics it appears that you have no highlight or wash on your panel lines. Is this indeed the case? If that is the case, that would be my suggestion to you. A pin wash would simply enhance the weathering and appearance. I am certainly glad you are choosing to do another as it just plain fun to build with you.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Friday, November 15, 2013 8:19 AM

Nice, Nice Greg. Great work on your first 190. The paint job looks great. Nice and smooth and feathered out. I like the dusty look on the tires, and great work on the antenna aerial. Build another!

 

 

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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, November 15, 2013 10:16 AM

Greg

 

Dude, what can I say but  Bow Down  Toast. Excellent work and time well spent on a great build. The paint looks fantastic, nice soft feathering and realistic weathering done just right.

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, November 15, 2013 10:19 AM

Mike (thunderbolt), thanks so much for your kind words. To clarify, it is my second build since back. Like so many others here, I built as a kid, and found myself building a kit early this year after a 40 or so year hiatus. Thing is, I've learned more here in 8 months than in all those years as a kid.

I would very much like to watch your 190 come together. I'd like to try a 1/32nd some day, and it would be great to be able to watch your build!

Mustang Joe, thanks my friend! And also for all your help and encouragement along the way. Now I get to add my badge. Yippie!

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, November 15, 2013 10:25 AM

PJ: Great work, as always! The scratch-built Mg-hood is a great addition, as are the different tires and the gear indicators!

Joe (Mustang): Your Dauntless is looking ace! I'm glad to have you in my Carrier GB!

Joe (Rix): It's great to see some pics from you and I can't believe how much patience you are showing with this build!

Greg: That's some very impressive work, mate! I'm glad you liked the Hasegawa kit. I second Joe's tip with the panel wash, but otherwise she looks simply awesome!

Joe (Lawdog): Very nice work on your side as well! I can't wait to see more of your Eduard 190!

It looks like I'll get some bench time tomorrow and maybe on Sunday as well, so I might be able to finally finish those damn cockpits...

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, November 15, 2013 10:37 AM

Joe (Rix), thanks so much! I used the Flory (clay-based pigment) Wash again on this one, so I did make an attempt at the panel lines. But your observation is correct, not much to see. I figured it was a combination of the delicate panel lines on the Hasegawa kit, way too heavy on my gloss coat (still struggling with that), and perhaps the Flory pigment being a bit coarse for the tiny panels lines???

Could I still do that pin wash at this point? Would I need to seal it with (yet another) light coat of matte? And do you mean an oil pin wash or something else? I have a lot to learn about washes and panel lines. I simply haven't figured out how to control oil washes except for the occasional success with detail washes, in cockpits and wheel wells and the such.

I really appreciate your observation, I am here to have fun AND to learn, and by noticing something and mentioning it, that only helps me to progress! And, it is just plain fun to be able to build with you too, Joe!

Nathan, thank you for your kind words, and all of your support and encouragement along the way, Please keep posting, you have a lot of experience to share, and I like your style of doing so.

PJ, thank you, mate! Your work is also an inspiration to me and your help and encouragement mean a lot to me.

Clemens, thanks my friend! You've been quiet, hope real life is going ok and you find some more bench time soon! Thanks for all you encouragement, as always.

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Friday, November 15, 2013 11:21 AM

Greg...buddy... what can I add but Beautiful! Sorry, Ive been out of town for about a week and just got back in this morning. Again...note to self...quit taking off for a few without checking in... WOW,,, what a rush of great work from all!

Back to you Greg... Itold ya in the begining this group was contagious and we would gitcha! Looking forward to your next build my friend... and I agree, the Wurger is addictive...

Take care!

Doug

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, November 15, 2013 11:22 AM

Yeah, everything's alright here. I'm just a bit busy atm...

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Posted by Chanter on Friday, November 15, 2013 12:57 PM

Greg - beautiful job!  Like the others' comments, your paint work is fantastic and that's a great job on the antenna (including the tensioner)  Great attention to detail.

Man, I hope my schedule eases off so I can get some bench time.  You guys are keeping me motivated for sure!

 

Allen

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Posted by Texgunner on Friday, November 15, 2013 1:30 PM

Dayum, Greg, that's a winner sir!  She looks great and you did a fantastic job on the paint work.  Congratulations!

Gary


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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Friday, November 15, 2013 4:00 PM

Doug, you were certainly right indeed about this group being contagious! Thanks so much for your help, encouragement and kind words my friend.

Clemens, glad to hear it's just normal life stuff, mate.

Allen, thank you kind sir. And thanks for noticing the antenna and the tensioner, which I didn't know what it was called but it makes sense!

Gary, thank you very much!

Everybody, it's weird for me getting all this attention from you guys who actually know what you are doing! Me, I just try to remember what y'all explain to me, then attempt to do it. Smile

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, November 15, 2013 4:47 PM

Look what I bought today:

I went to a local bookstore that is specialized on military books because I wanted to get me some books about the Thunderbolt, but I didn't find anything great. I got myself this one though:

It is the "bible" of Fw 190s. What you see in this pic is a book with 443 pages that is filled with wartime pictures of every 190 variant. there are also some plans and diagrams in there:

  

Now you're not the only one with a Censored-load of reference pics contained in a single book, Joe! Big Smile

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Posted by blackdog62 on Friday, November 15, 2013 4:54 PM

GREG    fantastic job on your build it all looks great love that camo. I would like to try on with that pattern. not sure if I can keep that pattern the proper size. you nail'd it.

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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, November 15, 2013 9:35 PM

I stretched some green sprue over a candle to use as the antenna wire. I tried using my nylon thread but could not get it to droop correctly. I used those multi hand thingies to hold the sprue while the CA dried

 

 

Well fellas, stick a fork in this bird cause she's done. I want to thank all of you for your kind words, comments, and assistance in detail questions. This is a very talented group of modelers...Toast

 

Here are some shots of the completed build

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Posted by JOE RIX on Friday, November 15, 2013 10:49 PM

Magnificently done PJ. You have really done a remarkable job on your 190. Just a nice clean build all around. Especially the detail work. I greatly appreciate you sharing your talents and skills with us. I would hope that you would stick around and build another with us. If that is indeed not the case, then what is your next project?

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:11 AM

That's one fantastic looking 190, PJ! Everything is looking damn great and things like the gear indicators add a lot to the overall appearance! Mind if I steal some of your techniques for my 190s?

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:09 AM

Man PJ! Wow! And I mean WOW! You pack a mean punch when it comes to model building and this is certainly no exception. I am glad that you came  to this GB and have enjoyed all the commentary and building with you. I will be putting this into the intro post today and would like to use this opportunity to invite you to hang around and possibly build another with us. Thanks PJ!

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:23 AM

PJ:I've got your's on the "Wall of Fame". Thanks again buddy!

Clemens: Cool that you got a reference too! Info like that is great aint it?

                   

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:28 AM

Excellent job and Bravo PJ!!! Just beautiful...

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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:05 AM

Well after some minor illness and having to be away from home for about a week I finally got back and headed right for the work bench... Got a bit more done and am enjoying an OOB build again. No frills but so far so good I feel...Heres a bit more progress...

So far am amazingly good fit... Just had to add 1 small spreader just behind the pit to fill a gap , and a .010 piece of plastistruct to finish filling up, so far no putty.

Primed and ready to pre-shade...

Preshading done and we will let that set good and do some more maybe tomorrow unless my wife can find where I hid the "Honey-Do" list... 

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Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by JOE RIX on Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:11 AM

Looking grand there Doug. It is very good to have you back healthy and building. I have a question for you Doug. Did you say that you used a shade of gray in your post paint "dusting" formula? Thought I'd ask rather than spend the time going back through the GB posts.

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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:26 AM

Aw shucks, RRider, SSpartan, Joe Rix, Mustang,thanks for the nice words. Embarrassed

Just glad to pass along any helpful technique to better our modeling skills. I have learned a lot from reading techniques right here in this forum and this web site. I think that thanks to FSM, more modelers are becoming better in our hobby by exchanging ideas and techniques.

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Posted by Texgunner on Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:04 AM

Wow, Ernie, you nailed it brother!  That plane looks so fine, what a masterful job you've done!!  Thanks for sharing the pics with us.Beer

Gary


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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:32 PM

PJ, that is just amazing. The level of detail is really, really something. Hand painting, airbrushing, weathering...... astounding the way you are able to put them all together.

I have really enjoyed 'getting to know you' during this GB and your work and insight is truly inspiring. As others have said, it would be great if you could hang around, or sneak in another 190 when you can. :)

Doug, didn't realise you had been under the weather. Welcome back! The bird is looking good and please keep posing as I am becoming most interested in watching this whole pre-shading thing coming together as various builds progress.

Blackdog, thanks so much for your supportive comments, mate!

Clemens, that book looks great but it is written in some foreign language Wink Seriously, looks to be an excellent reference!

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:24 PM

Good to have you back Doug and as always your build is going great. I am really gonna have to try this pre-shading trick on my D-9!  

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:42 PM

Joe R... Yes sir... Depending on the look you desire, and you know I like the war weary look, It never ceases to amaze the beautiful paint jobs and weathering but the decals look Factory Fresh, and shiny.

I do a few things to weather and fade paint like after I get the finish top coat on, I sometimes take some of the top coat paint and put a few drops of light or sky grey in it then thin more then usual, turn up the pressure about 5to 10psi then work the inner panels and leading edges, leaving the body lines and rivet lines a bit darker. After that, I take straight pale grey, and thin way down, and do the decals so as to fade them down too, when doing this step just follow the outlines and try not to stray outside them too much, a little is OK. If you so desire after that step you can thin down some more pale grey turn the pressure up to about 25 to 30 psi and mist a coat over the whole project at about 6 to 8 inches away. Just mist, dont try to cover, when it drys you will notice the diffefence.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:57 PM

These two show the decals well faded and look almost as if they were sandblasted, which would well suit a Med. theater aircraft.

 

 

 

a Joe here are a few pictures of a sun bleached Bf109-E I did earlier...

This is the top coat of sand gelb with the Future applied so as not to get fingerprint oil on the flat finish...

see the inside wing panels starting to "Fade" but the panel edges are still a bit darker. And notice the decals are still like new polished lacquer...

In this one Im fading more panel work and have started doing the leading edges, but decals are still untouched, I also left a little of the original color around the cockpit to maybe suggest a repair and touchup.

 

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Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:35 PM

Looking great, Doug ol buddy!

Greg: That foreign language is German (I think you guessed that already), so I have no problems at all reading it because it is no foreign language for me Wink If anyone needs some info on anything regarding one of the 190 variants or a a particular aircraft, just let me know and I'll try to find something in this book. I'll translate the corresponding text for you as well Wink

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:23 PM

Ja, ich wusste es war Deutsch, Clemens. Cool

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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:46 PM

I'm sorry , I dont know why the pictures sometimes get out of order that I entered them in, but I guess you will be able to figure them out...

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Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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