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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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  • From: Minnesota City, Minnesota, U.S.A.
Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:53 PM

This old Hasegawa kit is testing me. Without paying much attention to the area under the rear of the canopy of the actual 190s, I went ahead and assembled the headrest and brace to the canopy per the kit instructions.  It's wrong. Goofy damn kit has the rear deck area attached to the canopy. See pics: 

Looks like I get to use my newfound talent for cutting plastic with thread, eh Rigid? Now, correct me if I'm wrong; the headrest should be sitting on just a bar spanning across the canopy right, and the deck part including what looks like an access panel should remain stationary behind the seat?

And, submitted for your scrutiny, some cockpit pics. Yeah, this is the kit cockpit with a few of my scratched details (harness, throttle, etc..). Instrument panel is just gooped in for pics sake.

Harnesses were made from imitation suede cord trim and the wire from inside of twisty ties.

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:14 PM

I love your Dora, Eric!

Everything is Built nice and clean and the detailing in the wheel bays (like all the others said already) ist superb!

Clemens

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  • From: Minnesota City, Minnesota, U.S.A.
Posted by FlyItLikeYouStoleIt on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:44 PM

Very, very nice Eric!! Wouldn't know there's any problems with that kit after you built it. Love the detail, especially the gear and bays.

Bill.

On the bench:  Lindberg 1/32 scale 1934 Ford Coupe and a few rescue projects.

In queue:  Tamiya 1/35 Quad Tractor or a scratch build project.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:27 PM

Eric, That is simply impressive. Exquisite paint job and excellent detailing. I cannot help but be drawn to the work you did in the wheel bays. Your work there is really remarkable. I really hate to see you finish and thus leave the GB. It has indeed been great fun building with you and I hope you continue to hang around and participate with your insight and input. Cheers!

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: Tucson, AZ
Posted by Archangel Shooter on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:19 PM

Jester,,,,She's a beauty! Bow Down Hope I do as well with my 190.

A short update.   Been working on the cockpit panels and having to do some improvising on the dials. I was going to use the Aiscale decal sheet but it would sit too far behind the panel and wouldn't look right. Than the Eduard bezel/instrument set seems a tad too small, so I glued the clear instrument panel to the front panel and the Eduard dials glued on top to the clear part which works for me. Will post a couple of pics in a day or two.

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 On the bench: So many hanger queens.

 

 

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  • From: Bent River, IA
Posted by Reasoned on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:17 PM

Outstanding Eric! Toast  I missed it, which Eduard kit is this because if this is what you can do with a kit that has problems, I'd like to see what a shake and build looks like.  Clean build all around and the gear bay shot is tops, she's a winner.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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In the Hanger: A bunch of kits

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  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:15 PM

OK folks, I am officially calling this one done. Stick a fork in it! The Eduard kit has no shortage of problems and these problems don't seem to be isolated to one or two kits but the majority of them, but I don't have to tell any of you building them here that. I do love the amount of detail in this kit, but the open panels are a real turn off if you are wanting to zip it up. So without further adieu, and please forgive the really crappy pictures as my camera sucks, I present you all my rendition of Hans Dortenmann's Black 1.

Grr, that last pic wont show the edited one which is kind of annoying. In closing I will say that this has been the best GB that I have participated in!! Just a great atmosphere the whole time with lots of great advice and tips and just tons of wonderful 190's built!! I was really going to tear into the new Eduard Spit next but for some reason the DML 32nd 109 E-4 keeps grabbing my attention so I may have to pull it out!

Eric

 

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:27 PM

Like Reasoned and Doug said just keep at it. Like Joe Rix and I like to say, " It's not about the mistake. It's all in the recovery. " Hang in there buddy, Joe

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:11 PM

Thank you for your nice words, guys!

This is an amazing community here on this forum!

Clemens

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:08 PM

Well Clemens, ya just hit on the secret! You mess up, you fix it, you learn from your mistakes and every one you do gets a little better then the last! And like Reasoned said, there is always one just a little bit harder, Most of what I do has been learned from mistakes I've made over the years. Every kit I do I try to learn a new trick or do something just a bit different. Like I (and others) said earlier... Your doing just fine. Hang in there!!!

Doug (RR)

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:37 PM

I got some work done today. The cockpit of the Ta got some drybrushing and a black wash, as well as some basic detail painting. The 190 is now basecoated on all surfaces inside the fuselage and wings (the wheel bays are already built)

I'll try to get the pits done this week and join the fuselage and wings of the 190. I'll post some pics on Saturday.

Clemens

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  • From: Bent River, IA
Posted by Reasoned on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:28 PM

Just keep at it Clemens, if ever you think a model is giving you fits and you can't take it, just open a limited run C/A kit or the Mono B-36 and it won't look so bad after all. Wink

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

On the Tarmac: 1/48 Revell P-38

In the Hanger: A bunch of kits

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:29 PM

I'm glad to have you back as well, Joe!

Doug: I mess things up a lot! My Airacobra had some problems as well, but I keep getting better with every model I build! The Wildcat for the Carrier GB I'm hosting went together without any problems so far!

I'll just mess around with the wheel bays and cockpit (maybe glue the wings and/or the fuselage together as well untill I get some thicker plastic plates.

Clemens

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:22 PM

Clemens...I wouldnt say total mess! Your doing just fine...You have the right idea, just try again! Why do you mess things up??? Ya Build Models! That just goes with the territory! (HA) Mess it up? Fix it Up! Your doing great! Some times I'm tempted to see how far they can fly...But then I think about the time and money invested! (lol) Just part of the Hobby.

 Joe R, Good to hear from ya! Know the feeling brother... My wife is back home (Philippines) for a month long visit. Glad your back.

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:16 PM

Just a little update here:

I glued a very thin slive of plastic-card to the rear wall and sanded it all smooth. Now it's less messy, but still the wrong shape....

I'll have to buy me some thicker plastic-cards this weekend (0.5mm should be thick enough) anddo that again. My only problem is: Due to all the sanding, the rear wall is now sloped. Badly sloped. I think i might just sand the next layer of plastic-card down at the bottom, so the slope is reduced at least. Any ideas on that one?

Clemens

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:45 PM

Ok fellas! I picked up some stuff today:

  • A nice little bending tool for all those nasty little PE-parts
  • Some Plastic plates to fix the damage on the left wing
  • Another Butcher Bird! Eduard´s D-9 "Weekend Edition" 

Fixing the wing didn't turn out as wanted:

  As you can see (or not), It's a total mess. And to make it even worse: It's still the wrong shape (the red lines show how it should look). I think I'll have to ad another strip of plastic to the rear wall to get the shape right and cover up all the damage. Please help me out here (again).

Why am I always messing something up in the last seconds? Bang Head

Clemens

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:55 AM

Were all still here for ya Joe!  Just finished up installing the last parts of PE on the engine and am now working on the engine mounting issue I have had. Started filing away on the engine mount ring and had to modify it some to get it to fit right. Just got to work on centering up the prop into the hole!

                   

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:01 AM

Hey There Gentlemen. I'm still with you, just in a very limited capacity right now. The wife has been in Seattle for the past week visiting the grand daughter and she took our lap top with her. Couple this with the fact that the other computer I have access to is having some definite internet issues. But, today things are functioning. Needless to say with the wife gone I have the burden of all the house, yard and pet duties so very little progress on the 190. Yet, all I need to do is finish touching up the tail wheel and I can begin the upper camo scheme.

Doug, Magnificent work your pulling off there. Excellent progress on an epic endeavor.

Zvezda - Welcome to the GB. Certainly looking forward to your work.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Monday, May 20, 2013 5:41 PM

Ditto to Eduard's color pe. I hate it. The color is always off. On my last few Eduard 190 builds I purposely left off the sidewall pe in favor for the kit side wall details. I just painted them and drybrushed to my liking.

 

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 5:35 PM

Thank you guys!

It is actually a flat piece of the wing, Doug. The flap is only on the underside of the wing. I have to close that hole up as flat as possible. The top edge of the gun bay`s rear wall is the point where the plate should end. Due to a rally bad miscast i had to cut it off´.There was a huge hole in it and it was all really badly warped to the inside of the wing. The rest of the wing is fine though (i don't know why only this small area was looking that bad)

Cheers Clemens

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, May 20, 2013 5:14 PM

SchattenSpartan

Does anyone know if the aircraft I want to represent had its normal MGs in the fuselage installed?

They were removed on most R2s as far as i know...

It's the "Schwarze 13" (Black 13) flown by Werner Gerth from II. (Sturm)/JG 3:

Clemens 

According to Jerry Crandall: No cowl machine guns. Open troughs, no fairings.

 

 

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, May 20, 2013 5:11 PM

I think I see what your trying to do. You need to fill in the area you have marked?If I.m looking at what I think it is , is it the upper surface of the Starboard wing and the cut is at the flap at the wing root? There are a couple things I might do, one is to put a piece of round sprue,shape to fit the cut area, (leaving round as possible on the top) insert and glue into place allow to set up, and carefully file down flat and if you positioned right you will see thegroove line where the flap mates up to the wing. Also if a hobby shop near you can get some sheet styrene in just about any thickness and width. Maybe that would be easier, Just stack a few pieces together and glue into place?  Rivits are easy with a rivit tool. Trumpeter makes a cheaper one, and there are some very nice ones made that are of better material and comes in various sizes. They have various size rivit "wheels" to simulate different sizes and work really nicely. Dont know if that helped any, but we will get you through this! (ha)

Doug (RR)

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 4:28 PM

Looking awesome, Doug! I can't wait to see more pics! Stick out tongue

I ran into another problem, that wont solve itself sadly...

Due to a miscast I had to remove a rather big slice at the rear end of the gun hatch. I cut along a panel line to make restoring the section easier, but I need your help: I don't know how to recreate that section and how to remake the rivets afterwards (they should look as close to Eduard's nice work as possible...)

Here's a pic. The red lines show the area that must be remade

All the ugly seams arund the gun bay can't be seen at all in person btw (they will be covered up by the gun later anyway)

Please help me.

Clemens

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:50 PM

      I'm not getting as much done as I would like but herte are a few more pics...

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:39 PM

Very cool.... Master makes some very nice barrels! I'll check my referance book, but I think on your subject, the berrell channel they were farrowed over or just plugged up. Will that be an A8 maybe?

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Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:15 PM

The problem already solved itself, Doug! The gun barrels I ordered consist of 2 parts per barrel, so you can slide the rear part of them in through the wheel bays and push the forward part in the rear one through the holes in the wings Big Smile

I don't know if this was done on purpose by Master, but if it was, it's some nice  work they did there!

Clemens

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:11 PM

Does anyone know if the aircraft I want to represent had its normal MGs in the fuselage installed?

They were removed on most R2s as far as i know...

It's the "Schwarze 13" (Black 13) flown by Werner Gerth from II. (Sturm)/JG 3:

Clemens 

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:10 PM

Clemens...

Like Bish said on the colors... They varied widely due to RLM and age, use... many factors. I would maybe try to match with a wash or dry brushing, But again... do what you feel is right.

And as Jester had noted, Its a bear trying to get guns in after sealing wing halves, I did that once and had to open holes far wider then They should ever have been to get them straight then try to repair openings I made...Way more work then I should have had to do if I had waited. I'm also waiting on parts at the present and am fighting urge to keep going, but I know I will have to back track if I do! (ha)

Just my 2cents worth...

Doug (RR)

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:05 PM

I decided to open my plane up! But only on the left side, so you have a nice view at its inner parts on one side (the supplied engine looks so nice), but the nice lines of a closed up plane on the other.

Thank you for pointing the fitting issues on the hatches out, Eric! I just taped the whole plane together and the fit seem to be quite good on my kit. There is a small gap arond the hatch I want to display closed tht is a little bit more pronounced than the (really fine) panel lines on the kit. The hatch also protrudes a little bit where the wing joins the fuselage, but nothing a little bit of sanding can't solve. As for the gap: I'll just fill it with a little bit of putty from the inside of the wing and wipe everything that gets to the outside away.

Bish: I just love it, when problems solve themself just by looking at them. Just like most Tamiya kits! Wink

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, May 20, 2013 2:58 PM

Awesome Clemens!! The ones I used looked like this so that option wasnt really possible.

Eric

 

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