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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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  • Member since
    January 2013
  • From: Athens, Greece
Posted by Zvezda1980 on Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:43 PM

Hello to everyone

If I am not too late to join in, please count me in with a Fw-190 A-9 machine from Eduard's kit in 1/48 - since I see this variant is not represented in this GB yet.

Greetings

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:56 PM

Rigidrider: Man that is some really good action youve got going there! Airies has a habit of making some great engine kits. Ive built a couple and think their detail is second to none.

Zvezda1980: You aint too late to join in at all! Glad to have you and glad to have somebody else brave enough to build an Eduard kit. Good detail and accuracy is the plus side of those kits. I'll put you in the intro post.

Clemens: Hang in there with running the GBs and participating in others. You've got lots of time left here.

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 1:43 PM

I finally had some time for my two birds...

The Ta's cockpit is airbrushed and awaiting detail work, washing and so on.

I haven't started on the office of the Eduard kit though. I had a look through the instructions and thought it would be easier to start with the wheel bays.

Said part of the Fw190 A8 assembly is almost complete, but I have some questions to you guys:

  • There some small disc-like raised detail on the leading edge of each wing. I supposed that this should resemble the gun-camera, so I sanded the one on the right wing down, as the 190 had only one gun-camera as far as i know. Is this correct?
  • You have to install the guns before glueing the wing halves together, but I have to wait for a set of metal barrels. Is there any way of installing the barrels after assembly?
  • The supplied PE-parts don't fit the RLM66 color I wanted to use (a Gunze color). They are a tad too dark and tinted slightly blue. Shuold I use the right color and try to blend the PE in with some drybrushing and washing or should I use a matching, but otherwise wrong color?
  • Would you folks prefer opened up gun-hatches together with a partially visible engine or everything closed up?

I hope some of you take the time to answer all those questions.

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 1:47 PM

Oh, and Joe: Please add my Ta152C-0 to the entry list as well. It's Dragon's kit in 1/48.

Thank you in advance, Clemens

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, May 20, 2013 1:59 PM

Clemens, your right about the gun camera, it was fitted to the left wing.

I normally fit metal barrels after the wings are joined, in fact I usually do it right near the end. They should just fit into the holes for the barrels.

Personally, I wouldn't worry to much about the colours not matching. Who's to sday the IP hasn't ben replaced and there fore a slightly different shade. Once closed up, the IP will be under the cockpit shroud anyway and so in more shadow than the rest of the pit.

Open, defiantly, lets see it all.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 2:06 PM

Ok, thank you, Bish!

The really bad thing about the PE is that the side cnsoles are also replicated using PE parts with the wrong color. But I think a bit of drybrushing should blend them in enough to not look awkward...

The problem with the barrels is, that they NEED to be installed before joining the wing halves. I think you can see tell better by seeing the instructions. Here is a link to them (it's on page 6).

Clemens

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  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Monday, May 20, 2013 2:16 PM

I didn't really see any feasible way to install them in my D-9 after the wings were glued. They had to go in before as they had a large base on the inside of the wheel well and the wheel well wasn't quite large enough to slide them in after it was glued. Also, I initially planned on opening the hatches on mine but later decided against it as it really takes away from the lines on the Dora. Having decided that, it was a challenge to get them all closed up, especially the wing cannon hatches as they were designed to be open and I don't think a lot of thought was put into having them closed. I can't speak for the front end of the A models as I'm not sure what all is "opened up" on those.

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 2:25 PM

Well, seems like i have to wait untill the end of May untill i can glue the wings together then...

Nevermind, I have enough to do on this Model in the meantime, not to speak of the other 8 models on my bench...

Clemens

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 2:32 PM

I just had a look at the barrels I ordered: and found out that the barrels that go through the wheel bays are supplied in 2 pieces!

www.hannants.co.uk/.../MR48019

I taped the wings together and cut the plastic barrels at the point where the metal ones are split. Then I tried to slide them into place with my tweezers. They went in perfectly! So i suppose i can keep on working on the wings!

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by Bish on Monday, May 20, 2013 2:50 PM

Seems like you have your solution.

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, May 20, 2013 2:58 PM

Awesome Clemens!! The ones I used looked like this so that option wasnt really possible.

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:05 PM

I decided to open my plane up! But only on the left side, so you have a nice view at its inner parts on one side (the supplied engine looks so nice), but the nice lines of a closed up plane on the other.

Thank you for pointing the fitting issues on the hatches out, Eric! I just taped the whole plane together and the fit seem to be quite good on my kit. There is a small gap arond the hatch I want to display closed tht is a little bit more pronounced than the (really fine) panel lines on the kit. The hatch also protrudes a little bit where the wing joins the fuselage, but nothing a little bit of sanding can't solve. As for the gap: I'll just fill it with a little bit of putty from the inside of the wing and wipe everything that gets to the outside away.

Bish: I just love it, when problems solve themself just by looking at them. Just like most Tamiya kits! Wink

Cheers, Clemens

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:10 PM

Clemens...

Like Bish said on the colors... They varied widely due to RLM and age, use... many factors. I would maybe try to match with a wash or dry brushing, But again... do what you feel is right.

And as Jester had noted, Its a bear trying to get guns in after sealing wing halves, I did that once and had to open holes far wider then They should ever have been to get them straight then try to repair openings I made...Way more work then I should have had to do if I had waited. I'm also waiting on parts at the present and am fighting urge to keep going, but I know I will have to back track if I do! (ha)

Just my 2cents worth...

Doug (RR)

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:11 PM

Does anyone know if the aircraft I want to represent had its normal MGs in the fuselage installed?

They were removed on most R2s as far as i know...

It's the "Schwarze 13" (Black 13) flown by Werner Gerth from II. (Sturm)/JG 3:

Clemens 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:15 PM

The problem already solved itself, Doug! The gun barrels I ordered consist of 2 parts per barrel, so you can slide the rear part of them in through the wheel bays and push the forward part in the rear one through the holes in the wings Big Smile

I don't know if this was done on purpose by Master, but if it was, it's some nice  work they did there!

Clemens

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:39 PM

Very cool.... Master makes some very nice barrels! I'll check my referance book, but I think on your subject, the berrell channel they were farrowed over or just plugged up. Will that be an A8 maybe?

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, May 20, 2013 3:50 PM

      I'm not getting as much done as I would like but herte are a few more pics...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 4:28 PM

Looking awesome, Doug! I can't wait to see more pics! Stick out tongue

I ran into another problem, that wont solve itself sadly...

Due to a miscast I had to remove a rather big slice at the rear end of the gun hatch. I cut along a panel line to make restoring the section easier, but I need your help: I don't know how to recreate that section and how to remake the rivets afterwards (they should look as close to Eduard's nice work as possible...)

Here's a pic. The red lines show the area that must be remade

All the ugly seams arund the gun bay can't be seen at all in person btw (they will be covered up by the gun later anyway)

Please help me.

Clemens

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, May 20, 2013 5:11 PM

I think I see what your trying to do. You need to fill in the area you have marked?If I.m looking at what I think it is , is it the upper surface of the Starboard wing and the cut is at the flap at the wing root? There are a couple things I might do, one is to put a piece of round sprue,shape to fit the cut area, (leaving round as possible on the top) insert and glue into place allow to set up, and carefully file down flat and if you positioned right you will see thegroove line where the flap mates up to the wing. Also if a hobby shop near you can get some sheet styrene in just about any thickness and width. Maybe that would be easier, Just stack a few pieces together and glue into place?  Rivits are easy with a rivit tool. Trumpeter makes a cheaper one, and there are some very nice ones made that are of better material and comes in various sizes. They have various size rivit "wheels" to simulate different sizes and work really nicely. Dont know if that helped any, but we will get you through this! (ha)

Doug (RR)

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, May 20, 2013 5:14 PM

SchattenSpartan

Does anyone know if the aircraft I want to represent had its normal MGs in the fuselage installed?

They were removed on most R2s as far as i know...

It's the "Schwarze 13" (Black 13) flown by Werner Gerth from II. (Sturm)/JG 3:

Clemens 

According to Jerry Crandall: No cowl machine guns. Open troughs, no fairings.

 

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, May 20, 2013 5:35 PM

Thank you guys!

It is actually a flat piece of the wing, Doug. The flap is only on the underside of the wing. I have to close that hole up as flat as possible. The top edge of the gun bay`s rear wall is the point where the plate should end. Due to a rally bad miscast i had to cut it off´.There was a huge hole in it and it was all really badly warped to the inside of the wing. The rest of the wing is fine though (i don't know why only this small area was looking that bad)

Cheers Clemens

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, May 20, 2013 5:41 PM

Ditto to Eduard's color pe. I hate it. The color is always off. On my last few Eduard 190 builds I purposely left off the sidewall pe in favor for the kit side wall details. I just painted them and drybrushed to my liking.

 

 

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  • From: MOAB, UTAH
Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:01 AM

Hey There Gentlemen. I'm still with you, just in a very limited capacity right now. The wife has been in Seattle for the past week visiting the grand daughter and she took our lap top with her. Couple this with the fact that the other computer I have access to is having some definite internet issues. But, today things are functioning. Needless to say with the wife gone I have the burden of all the house, yard and pet duties so very little progress on the 190. Yet, all I need to do is finish touching up the tail wheel and I can begin the upper camo scheme.

Doug, Magnificent work your pulling off there. Excellent progress on an epic endeavor.

Zvezda - Welcome to the GB. Certainly looking forward to your work.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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  • From: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:55 AM

Were all still here for ya Joe!  Just finished up installing the last parts of PE on the engine and am now working on the engine mounting issue I have had. Started filing away on the engine mount ring and had to modify it some to get it to fit right. Just got to work on centering up the prop into the hole!

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:45 PM

Ok fellas! I picked up some stuff today:

  • A nice little bending tool for all those nasty little PE-parts
  • Some Plastic plates to fix the damage on the left wing
  • Another Butcher Bird! Eduard´s D-9 "Weekend Edition" 

Fixing the wing didn't turn out as wanted:

  As you can see (or not), It's a total mess. And to make it even worse: It's still the wrong shape (the red lines show how it should look). I think I'll have to ad another strip of plastic to the rear wall to get the shape right and cover up all the damage. Please help me out here (again).

Why am I always messing something up in the last seconds? Bang Head

Clemens

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:16 PM

Just a little update here:

I glued a very thin slive of plastic-card to the rear wall and sanded it all smooth. Now it's less messy, but still the wrong shape....

I'll have to buy me some thicker plastic-cards this weekend (0.5mm should be thick enough) anddo that again. My only problem is: Due to all the sanding, the rear wall is now sloped. Badly sloped. I think i might just sand the next layer of plastic-card down at the bottom, so the slope is reduced at least. Any ideas on that one?

Clemens

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  • From: Georgia
Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:22 PM

Clemens...I wouldnt say total mess! Your doing just fine...You have the right idea, just try again! Why do you mess things up??? Ya Build Models! That just goes with the territory! (HA) Mess it up? Fix it Up! Your doing great! Some times I'm tempted to see how far they can fly...But then I think about the time and money invested! (lol) Just part of the Hobby.

 Joe R, Good to hear from ya! Know the feeling brother... My wife is back home (Philippines) for a month long visit. Glad your back.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:29 PM

I'm glad to have you back as well, Joe!

Doug: I mess things up a lot! My Airacobra had some problems as well, but I keep getting better with every model I build! The Wildcat for the Carrier GB I'm hosting went together without any problems so far!

I'll just mess around with the wheel bays and cockpit (maybe glue the wings and/or the fuselage together as well untill I get some thicker plastic plates.

Clemens

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Posted by Reasoned on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:28 PM

Just keep at it Clemens, if ever you think a model is giving you fits and you can't take it, just open a limited run C/A kit or the Mono B-36 and it won't look so bad after all. Wink

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:37 PM

I got some work done today. The cockpit of the Ta got some drybrushing and a black wash, as well as some basic detail painting. The 190 is now basecoated on all surfaces inside the fuselage and wings (the wheel bays are already built)

I'll try to get the pits done this week and join the fuselage and wings of the 190. I'll post some pics on Saturday.

Clemens

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