Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

makes sense, defiantly got to be worth a try.

I gotta tell you, even though the "H" gives you the option of siphon vs gravity cup, I couldn't imagine (unless I had A LOT of paint to shoot) ever using the siphon.  It's so much easier thinning/adding etc the paint in the cup.

Man there's some good information being put out here! I'm definitely going to use the thread trick.

Doug......can't wait to see another fine build outta you. You are just belting them out!

Doug, more butcher birds?? Can't wait to see what you come up with. Nice build, man you're just cranking them out.

Reasoned- The A-3 looks good. Keep up the mottle practice. It doesn't take long to get the hang of.

Clemens- I haven't built that kit but I did build Dragons -H version. Its a nice kit but a little fiddly on the wings and landing gear construction, and the instructions are poor, but nothing too bad. The detail is real nice for a 1980s mold. Sounds like you figured it out. Dragon had already kitted a D-9 and the -H version, so they use those parts and just molded a new nose, as the Jumo 213 has a different cowling and supercharger intake on the opposite side.There is a Hobbyboss 1/48 kit in the C version that is a newer tool without any hacking involved if you are interested.

Jester I remember that HS 129 build but forgot about that canopy magic you did. Nice work.

Rigid, thread for cutting? Huh, who woulda thunk it. Makes complete sense though. I will definitely be trying that as I hope to re-position my rudder on this build.

I've made a little progress on my build. After resolving the "ring" mystery, I proceeded with more engine painting/assembly. I tried one of my own home spun methods of replicating a gunky engine that also has shiny parts. Bear with me cuz yer gonna think I'm off.

I started by spray painting my radial halves with white primer, keeping in mind that I'll follow with some brush painting of chrome and flat black on cylinder heads and fan etc...

On with the chrome and flat black and a little dry brushing of silver on the fan assembly.Rear of engine sprayed flat olive...

and then I finished the radial halves with a heavy wash of thinned acrylic black mixed with a little brown and a glob of flat base. The black settled nicely into the recesses, leaving the white showing only on the raised areas. Some wiping was needed to reveal more of the silver and white in some areas. Also gave the rear engine part the same wash

Ok, that said, now what tricks are there to get that damn intake monster aligned with the holes on each cylinder body? I left the 2 radial halves separate for now, as evident in above pic, until I talked to you guys. I'm tempted to just cut off the little alignment nubs from each intake, which are just getting in the way, and let the tubes go where they will and call it good enough.

Look how impressed these guys are with my progress:

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Rigid, thread for cutting? Huh, who woulda thunk it. Makes complete sense though. I will definitely be trying that as I hope to re-position my rudder on this build.

I've made a little progress on my build. After resolving the "ring" mystery, I proceeded with more engine painting/assembly. I tried one of my own home spun methods of replicating a gunky engine that also has shiny parts. Bear with me cuz yer gonna think I'm off.

I started by spray painting my radial halves with white primer, keeping in mind that I'll follow with some brush painting of chrome and flat black on cylinder heads and fan etc...

On with the chrome and flat black and a little dry brushing of silver on the fan assembly.Rear of engine sprayed flat olive...

and then I finished the radial halves with a heavy wash of thinned acrylic black mixed with a little brown and a glob of flat base. The black settled nicely into the recesses, leaving the white showing only on the raised areas. Some wiping was needed to reveal more of the silver and white in some areas. Also gave the rear engine part the same wash

Ok, that said, now what tricks are there to get that damn intake monster aligned with the holes on each cylinder body? I left the 2 radial halves separate for now, as evident in above pic, until I talked to you guys. I'm tempted to just cut off the little alignment nubs from each intake, which are just getting in the way, and let the tubes go where they will and call it good enough.

Those are coming along nicely.

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Look how impressed these guys are with my progress:

However, I think these need some work on the panel lines and maybe some dirt on the under carriage.

Interesting method on those engine cylinders Bill, I think they look pretty good!!

Another view of the radial halves, painted and partially assembled:

If I was only building the engine as a complete model, I would add more detail (oil lines, ignition wires, .....), but I think I'm satisfied for now. However, I'm not going to assemble the engine further til I get some tips on getting those intake pipes to all line up with their target cylinder. Any ideas?

Bill the only thing Ive ever been able to do is place the exhaust tubes in place as near as possible and heat with a hair dryer to geltly bend into position, glue one at a time if need be. =OR= cut them off and reglue into position. They're fun ,right?

Doug (RR)

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Another view of the radial halves, painted and partially assembled:

If I was only building the engine as a complete model, I would add more detail (oil lines, ignition wires, .....), but I think I'm satisfied for now. However, I'm not going to assemble the engine further til I get some tips on getting those intake pipes to all line up with their target cylinder. Any ideas?

Okay gang, she's done!  Was in a hurry to finish up tonight so "the little things" may have been skipped but you get the idea.  As always, your recommendations are greatly appreciated to hone my meager skills.  I already know the mottling mess has to be addressed for further Luft builds.  Got to say this was one of, if not the best fitting kit I've done.  Thanks for a great GB Joe.

I like! Very nicely done...

Doug

I think it turned out pretty good Reasoned!! Nice looking build to add to a great GB!

Hello, I've got some catchin' up to do.

Stoleit - Boy, I sure like the effect your achieving there. Your technique certainly works quite well. Very nicely done.

Reasoned - All in all I think you've done a rather nice job on your Butcher Bird. There certainly seems to be a small fraternity of us who need to hone our mottling skills. So, don't fret it as you did fine with the brush method. I do hope you hang around and still participate on the GB even though your build is complete.

 As far as my own progress it is slow going here lately. Yet, I am nearly finished with detailing the wheel wells and then I can move on to the upper camo process.

That bird looks awesome, Reasoned!

I can't wait to start on my two kits.

I just have a question to you guys:

I am using mainly Gunze Acrylics. Could someone tell me the colors i need for the interior of my planes?

There is a different color in every instruction sheet:

Eduard suggests only a enamel color for the A-8, H-60 for their BF 109 and dragon tells me to mix something myself...

I thought of just sticking to H-60, but i don't think it's the correct color (wasn't the cockpit color changed at some point?)

Clemens

Gunze H416 is rlm 66 for the pit. RLM 02 is H70 and is used for the gear bays and gear legs.

H60 is Japanese green I think. The difference in kit callouts is Gunze probably didnt' have these colors released yet when the older kits were out.

Thank you very much, Nathan!

Are these colors sed on every german plane?

Clemens

Yes, but RLM 66 wasnt' used in every cockpit in the early years ('37-41). All fw 190s saw 66 in the pit. Junkers was also know to have used 66 as early as 1939, whereas Messerschmitt retained 02 up until the 109F, which had 66.

Thank you again, Nathan

Cheers, Clemens

Oh Yeah, by the way Jester, after having had a close look at your He129 I feel I need to point out that that is ABSOLUTELY AWESOME. Just thought you would need to know that for future reference.

Lol, thanks Joe and everyone else on the 129!! I was really nervous about sawing out the window and ended up sanding the entire canopy due to some marring from the process but a nice coat of Future cleared everything right up!

I meant to comment on that 129 window. Man that was good. Youre making me feel really good about taking this procedure in. Good job on that Eric!!

I have no doubt you will ace it mustang!

Reasoned

Okay gang, she's done!  Was in a hurry to finish up tonight so "the little things" may have been skipped but you get the idea.  As always, your recommendations are greatly appreciated to hone my meager skills.  I already know the mottling mess has to be addressed for further Luft builds.  Got to say this was one of, if not the best fitting kit I've done.  Thanks for a great GB Joe.

Reasoned, that is one handsome bird. Great job! Your skills can NOT be defined as "meager" by any means. I especially like  the surface detail that shows through. You've really done some justice to the old 190.

Others, thanks for your comments & suggestions. There's approx 12 parts to the engine assembly, not including the mounts, hub and prop ..... I basically gave up on the intake manifold accuracy, cut off the little nubs that were there for alignment, proceeded to glue it to the rear radial half and, by golly it all lined up pretty good so, whew. One more little hurdle behind me. As I'm typing this I see that I've yet to upload my latest engine pics. Posting soon

SchattenSpartan

That bird looks awesome, Reasoned!

I can't wait to start on my two kits.

I just have a question to you guys:

I am using mainly Gunze Acrylics. Could someone tell me the colors i need for the interior of my planes?

There is a different color in every instruction sheet:

Eduard suggests only a enamel color for the A-8, H-60 for their BF 109 and dragon tells me to mix something myself...

I thought of just sticking to H-60, but i don't think it's the correct color (wasn't the cockpit color changed at some point?)

Clemens

You know, I usually find that the kit's recommendation is the last thing I'd ever use. I've been trying to research the exact colors for interior also and I'm finding conflicting answers. I'll pass on to you what I find. In the end, you can always mix whatever colors you need. But when it comes to spraying large areas (wings, fuse, etc.... ), have you seen the variety of colors available for Rust-Oleum Painter's Touch ULTRA COVER satin spray paints ? No kidding, guys. Check them out. I love that spray paint! It goes on perfectly. Formulated for plastics. And they've got a lot of colors that seem to be made for old military stuff. Just ignore the names of the colors. Our local Menard's has approx 200 colors of it.

RLM 66 is the exact paint for all Fw 190 cockpits. 02 is for all other interior bays/gear. If you don't have RLM paints, Tamiya's German grey looks great for RLM 66.

Nathan T

RLM 66 is the exact paint for all Fw 190 cockpits. 02 is for all other interior bays/gear. If you don't have RLM paints, Tamiya's German grey looks great for RLM 66.

Ok, that's good to know. Our local Ace Hardware has the full line of Tamiya paints and a variety of color-matched, yet  overpriced, options. Might be worth forking over the extra dough as I've got additional Luftwaffe machines in my near future. 

Some 190 interior pics I've seen seem to show that some surfaces are the RLM 66 gray while others are a greenish color. I was tempted to use a little Cockpit Green but that would only apply to allied WWII interiors, right? If so, what is the green that I've seen in some Fw190 cockpits? 

As promised, some pics of the probably complete engine. I might add some additional detail later; we'll see.

I was all worried about those confounded intake pipes for nothing. After cutting off the alignment pins, they all lined up great. 

Moving on to the next adventures.

That engine looks great Bill!!

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Nathan T

RLM 66 is the exact paint for all Fw 190 cockpits. 02 is for all other interior bays/gear. If you don't have RLM paints, Tamiya's German grey looks great for RLM 66.

Some 190 interior pics I've seen seem to show that some surfaces are the RLM 66 gray while others are a greenish color. I was tempted to use a little Cockpit Green but that would only apply to allied WWII interiors, right? If so, what is the green that I've seen in some Fw190 cockpits? 

02 is the gray/green color the Luftwaffe used. I'd be interested in these green cockpit pics you've seen. Can you post them here?