Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

Eric and Clemens... Man... You two are kickin butt on those Eduards! Eric, great tip on the spreader... and Clemens, I read somewhere that most ALL of the hoods( gun deck covers) were known for being *** poor fits.That isnt an excuse to let it go cus like you I want it to fit right! But guy, for someone who claims to have no experiance your doing great. Makes me want to tear into mine! Keep up the great work guys! What a GB this has turned out to be!Take care all!

Doug

Doug: thank you very much!

Joe: I was talking about the R2 I've decided to replicate, like Nathan said already. Sorry for the confusion.

Nathan: Thanks for your help with the MG cover!

I made a little more progress:

The throttle lever is now glued in place, but it ripped apart at one of the bends, so it is just a PE strut with a styrene rod attached now. (you can't really see the difference though)

I installed the 2 remaining seatbelts as well and the pit is now finished.

Next step is painting and weathering the gear bays (just some heavy oil-washing) and glueing the wings together. Some dryfitting revealed a bad fit with some gaps and a slight step between the wing halves, probably because of all the detail parts glued in there (this cries for a lot of sanding).

I should be able to do all of that untill Wednesday, so stay tuned!

Oh, there's something else:

I got me some more 190s!!! This kit to be exact.

Hannants had a "special offer" for it: It was a second-hand kit in a damaged box, for only 32£! And let's be honest, who needs a friggin box?

So please count me in for those as well, Joe! I'll do one of the "Parrots" (red & white belly) and another one using AM decals (not sure on that one though). This will be a dual build as well.

Cheers, Clemens

Ahh, 2 Eduard Doras in one box, double the madness pleasure, double the pain fun. Grats on the addition Clemens, can't wait to see what you can do with those!!

Got a good bit done last night working on the A8. Got the pics taken and then was called away for a bit of an emergency so I didn't have time to post them so here goes today!

Work this evening started on trying to get the pit finished up and the fuse closed. All the pe goodies were added from the Eduard etch set. They really really need to make an adjustment on their RLM66, soon.

With that being done, it was inserted into the fuse from the rear and the fuse was glued up. Moving on to the wings, I like how Eduard did the cannon bays in the wing roots on teh A's better, The walls of the bay are in fact molded into the wing so their placement is exact. Had to drill out the ports for the outer cannons and the pitot and then attached the upper wings. Here it is test fit to the fuse with the cannons just makeshift installed to see how it looked.

Looking pretty mean to me!!

Now, on the fit of the wing assembly to the main fuselage, and I know these are words you rarely hear when talking or reading about these kits............it may be the best wing root fit I have ever seen. And that is no joke, check it out!

and even the gun covers on this kit were a very damn good fit.

So having gotten to this point, I have been dying to get the engine mount system attached and get the bay painted and prepped for the engine. At first I though this whole assembly was very flimsy and too weak to support the engine. After glueing it in though, it was easy to see that the forward framework that the engine actually attaches to rests on top of the gear bay cover so it has a lot of support.

And that is where she stands now. Hoping to get some more bench time in tonight and get some paint on the engine bay, then start assembling the engine. I want to get this one caught up with the Dora and have them both in the paint booth at the same time, there is just so many more parts on this one. 

Nice Jester. I guess you build enough of these Eduard 190s you're bound to get a good fitting one? Just watch out for the motor mount on the As, they may be too long and cause the engine fan to stick out of the cowling too far. Mustang can verify this. I think he had to shorten is engine mount before gluing it in??

Right you are Nathan. I had alot of trouble out of that.

That looks really nice, Eric! I wonder if the wing roots fit as well on my kit...

Joe: Put me down for a 4th Eduard 190 as well. I don't have it in my stash yet, but it's right on top of my shopping-list (just below the big B-17 announced by HK...). I still have to decide between the normal A-8 and the /R2...

How about that? 3-times the fun/pain for me!!!

I think I inhalated way too much glue-fumes... 

Cheers, Clemens (<= an Austrian completely gone mad...)

How about throwing my D-9 Weekend Edition kit in the ring as well? 4 190s anyone?

Hey Clemens. Gimme a listing of what you have to add (I can't view pictures here at work) and I'll post them for you........Youre a better man than me pal, Joe

Here is the list:

• 2 Fw190D (Eduard Dual combo)
• Fw190D-9 (Eduard Weekend Edition)
• Fw190A-8 (normal A-8 or A-8/R2)

Cheers, Clemens

Clemens, you sir are  a mad man..........I like it!!

SchattenSpartan

Here is the list:

• 2 Fw190D (Eduard Dual combo)
• Fw190D-9 (Eduard Weekend Edition)
• Fw190A-8 (normal A-8 or A-8/R2)

Cheers, Clemens

Thanks, Joe!

You missed one kit though: Eduard Fw-190A-8 (I decided to only build one R2).

Cheers, Clemens

I had a look at hannants regarding some AM decals for the dual combo 190s. I could only build "parrots" using the kit decals...

I found this decal sheet by EagleCals and I'd like to use the 2nd decal option ("<I"). I think it's a D-9, but correct me if I'm wrong. The other one will be built as a "parrot" D-11 with that red/white underside.

The A-8 is going to be light blue/gray? (RLM 65) with a bit of brown at the top. It is the plane on the first page of the kit's instructions

I'll use the supplied decals for the 4th one (Weekend Edition), which represent Hans Dortenmann's Dora.

If you have any information/pictures/color profiles of those planes, please let me know!

Cheers, Clemens

Clemens, <I is a D-9. Great choice and an interesting paint scheme according to Jerry. As far as Black 10, that looks to be rlm 81 brown/violet with rlm 82 light green cowling. RLM 76 undersides, as 65 was not in use on the Fw 190. Gunze carries all these colors as called out in Eduard's instructions.

Moving right along, I assembled the 3 piece cowl which went together pretty smoothly.

Then began to play Jenga with the engine. This really is a beauty of an engine and by all means is a kit unto itself. Its almost a shame that it will be completely covered and hardly seen at all in this build. Matter of fact, I think there will only be some detail painted on the front of it.

A test fit of the cowl and engine showed that the fan may be .5 to 1 mm more forward than I would like. I believe I can remedy this by sanding down a small raised ring right on the rear of the fan assembly which should move it back just a tad bit. 

Got the ailerons, rudder, and stabs installed on both kits as they approach the paint booth phase.

Thats all for now! Hopefully more benchtime will present itself tomorrow!!

Clemens, which Dortenmann bird are you doing? Is it red 1? If so those are the  exact markings I plan on using too!! I built his D9 also and I think the markings on his birds just looked really cool.

Ok folks. Finishing up with the starboard gun bay. So far here's what we have

Jester, talk about a burst of activity from you man! I'm jealous of all the bench time you got, but I love seeing these builds coming together.

Mustang- Finally seeing the fruits of your labor on these mysterious gun bays, lol! Looks pretty good in there. I like the close up shot of your nice mottle job.

Thanks Nathan. Looking at getting started on the port side tomorrow morning possibly. If not then I'll start on it Friday morning. Took a two week break. I think you were right. The PE was wearing me out!

Man, those of you going on your 3rd & 4th 190s : I hope you're managing to squeeze them into other GBs in here, WoW!

Outstanding work everyone. Gun bays are lookin sharp, mustang.

I've gotten a little farther along recently. Painting is in various stages. Some parts are complete through weathering while others are just getting their fresh color. Doug (RR) was right: the landing gear on this old Hasegawa are weak, even though they're among the beefiest of landing gear I've ever seen on an A/C model. They're still holding but I fear that they will collapse after displaying awhile. 

Gear bays unmasked. I added the through-bay gun barrels using some half round sprue. Under-nose yellow  warpaint is Testors flat yellow with a smidge of orange and a little thinner. Don't worry, I'm going to dirty it up.

This shot of the fuselage shows a little of my worn gun hood and a teaser of the fuselage pattern.

Next image shows the spacers I was forced to use on the front of the engine when I discovered that my propeller would rub on the oil cooler ring. Surprisingly close fit really, when you consider there's no less than 20 parts between the bulkhead / firewall and the propeller.

More to come real soon guys. Gotta go. Falling wsllep at hte keybiord

Joe, nice work on those gun bays.

Bill, nice piece of improvisation there.

Nathan: Thanks for your inputon the colors, seems like Eduard got that wrong.

Eric: No, it will be "Black 1". The decals are supplied in the kit.

Bill & Joe: That's some awesome work! I can't wait to see more!

Cheers, Clemens

That gun bay looks sharp Joe!! Im going to have to go another round on one of these A models and jsut open everything up!!

Bill, nice work! Funny how your fan is too far back and mine is too far forward! But like you said, there are 20 some odd pieced between the firewall and the nose so its not surprising!

Clemens, black 1? Which variant is that on?

Thanks guys.  Started work on the port gun bay this morning. Bill thats some super work pal. I'm loving the detail you are putting into that thing.

Eric: Lemme know when you want to do another A-8 and I'll give you all the Eduard numbers for the masks and photo etch sets and you'll basically have a Royal Class kit in the making. The only things missing is another complete kit (basically a weekend edition kit)  and some of the "special stuff" that comes in the Royal Class Box.

Eric: You really have to do an A-model opened up! I think i might add one ith a CMK engine as well. Would be 3 Doras and 3 "normal" 190s I'll complete all other announced projects first though...

The Dortenmann bird is "Black 1". It's a D-9 with a yellow tail fin. (The same one you completed for this GB earlier!)

Nathan T

Yes, those gap openings on the rear upper sides of the cowl gun cover are supposed to be there.

 

I know, off topic  but ......: Judging by his helmet, that's an American soldier. What's he doin diggin' around in a Fw 190 gun bay???

I need help guys!!! Man, I feel dumb. Painting canopy frames, masked edges perfectly, got nice straight lines. Forgot to mask to prevent overspray from getting inside of canopy glass. It did!

How can I safely remove the dusting of overspray inside the canopy glass, preferably without disturbing frame lines? Does paint thinner fog canopy glass?

What kind of paint was it Bill?

Jester75

What kind of paint was it Bill?

Duh, sorry, Jester! Would help to know that huh? Enamel from a rattle can. Good ole Testors enamel thinner will cut it but will it harm my canopy glass? In either event I hope to clean it up without having to remask and paint again. 

This would have to happen when I did the best ever job getting nice clean frame lines 

Hey Bill... If just a dusting, some paint thinner on a "Q"tip or cotton ball wrung out nearly dry will remove over spray, Did you dip in Future first? (canopy before painting) Paint thinner is reasonably mild and shouldn't fog the Cycolac plastic, but may affect the clear dip. Denatured Alcohol also a good remover,and milder then thinner, again, dip a cotton ball and wring out nearly dry.Either way, work gently and if need be recoat clear on inner surface by brush and let dry over night. I'm sure Jester has a few ideas as good as he is with paint!