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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, November 29, 2013 11:48 PM

I am calling this one done!!  This was the Hobby Boss Ta-152C-1/R-14, that I finished as a R-31.  I took some liberty with the paint scheme and as a result this is more of a luft '46 scheme.  My opinion on the kit can be found in my earlier post, so here are the finished pics:

Thanks for looking, this GB is the best!!!!

Matt

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, November 29, 2013 11:38 PM

Nathan T:  that is one good looking D-13!  Thanks for sharing.  Great weathering and paint scheme.  There is something to be said about the late war schemes.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, November 29, 2013 9:24 PM

Nathan T:Man you really nailed that one!!! Every time one of you veterens around here build one of these I learn more and more. Thank you again for your contribution, good commentary and good support to this group build. It's truly a privelege to build with some the finest folks here! Give us a full photo of this awesome build and I'll get you posted in the intro post  buddy!!

blkhwkmatt:Saw you asked which book the excerpts were from and Doug and I are pretty tight so I don't think he'll take this as stepping on his toes (he's actually the guy responsible for me having a copy of this book). This is the book you are asking about from Robert Grinsell and it's a good book:

                   

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, November 29, 2013 9:21 PM

 

 

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, November 29, 2013 9:18 PM

Well, I'm declaring myself finished! Not too shabby for the third one on here (still behind Doug and Jester). This Dora 13 is a rarity. Yellow 10 seems to get all the attention, and I can see why with its fancy camo. This is the only other known scheme. I posted the pic of the real deal earlier and I think after I weathered it up it matches quite well. Amazing how the build changes from the first paint work to the end of the weathering. The only aftermarket used was resin wheels and a fushion models prop, resin exhaust and supercharger intake. Camo is RLM 82 and 81 on the fuselage and wings are 77 gray primer and 81. Colors are Gunze aqueous and their lacquer Gloss. The huge prop and intake really set the D-13 apart. Hope you guys like it and feel free to comment, critique.

 

 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, November 29, 2013 6:15 PM

Doug,

That is a great reference.  Makes me wonder what the Ta-152S-1 would have looked like.  Now that would be one heck of a conversion.

Which book is this from?

matt

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Posted by ajd3530 on Friday, November 29, 2013 5:44 PM

Well thanks Nathan, that's great to know. I have a ProModeler G-2 and a beatiful set if Eagle Strike decals for an A-5. So it looks like this coming sring, I'll tweek the G-2 to look like an A-5 for this GB.

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, November 29, 2013 3:26 PM

Well, I'm due for an update here, but the Wife has the camera atm, so the proof will have to wait. I gave the Dora a flat coat using Gunze aqueous and after an overnite dry I glued all the small bits on. Canopy and aerial wire are on, along with gun barrels and wheels. Just finished using a little pigments here and there,and when those are set I'll get some pics up.

Joe Rix-Glad to see things moving along for you finally. Can't wait to see it finished.

Matt- Glad to have you back. Great work on the Tank. I haven't build a C version yet, but its on my list. Thanks for the tips on the Hobbyboss kit. Too bad they goofed on the wheel wells.

ajd- the 190 G-2 was based on the A-5, but the armament was reduced to just the inboad wing 20mm cannons and an ETC 501 rack for bombs on the fuselage centerline. The G-3 was the same only 2 outer wing racks were standard. They could carry fuel tanks or or a 250kg bomb.

 

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, November 29, 2013 1:39 PM

Say.............................I have that book too.

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Friday, November 29, 2013 8:01 AM

ajd3530

I foung some info on your question in the book Focke Wulf 190 by Robert Grinsell The following is from the book reprinted to maybe answer your questions...

Doug

Hope this helps some...

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:57 PM

Lawdog Joe - Thank you very much for taking the time to detail your lower fuselage weathering techniques. It is a very convincing method and thus I very well may "borrow" some of your tips.

Matt - Outstanding R 13. That is a very cool subject and you brought it together very nicely.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by ajd3530 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:12 PM
Check that, I meant the G-2 was based off the A-5.
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Posted by ajd3530 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:03 PM
I have a question for all you Fw190 aficionados out there. Its my understanding that the G-3 was a ground attack version based off the A-5. Could anyone tell me what the differances cosmetically were between the two versions, if any? Thanks guys
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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:43 PM

Happy Thanksgiving to all here! Matt that is one awesome build you have there and cool build /progress pics along the way. I really have enjoyed this group build so far as some of the best folks who build on this forum are here struttin' their stuff! Thanks to you all here for making this the most awesome group build I've seen here yet. Have a great Thanksgiving Day!!

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, November 28, 2013 4:35 PM

Joe R.

Liking the recovery guy! After a near disasterous Major OPPS! You wouldnt be able to tell now, and I also loke your paint jig! Very cool!

Matt

Glad your still here, and excellent builde, Very well done.

Black Dog,

Thank you so very much... I just enjoy the company here and have learned alot from others techniques, and have been amazed at the level of beautiful work being shared here, your skills absolutely included.

Law Dog

LOL... Mittlefinger Wurger... Love it! Yeah the Eduard isnt the easiest to build, but as you said Highly detailed, poorly engineered. I didnt have alot of trouble with mine but what did give me trouble really took some head scratching, (and atleast a few beers, And I'm not a big drinker!). OH and by the way, Luftwaffe frame of mind is I believe (for me) incurable. LOL... No hope I say!

Take care my friends and Happy Thanksgiving!

When Life Hands You A Bucket Of Lemons...

Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 3:20 PM
NATHAN & JOE
Thank you for the color info. That's the color that's on my bird so modern master has it spot on. 75% of the aircraft in my stash is Luftwaffe ww2 and I'm a big reader on the subject so I will be investing in the books I have seen in this gb.
This is the exact thing I was trying to relate to in a earlier post.
gents thank you both.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:33 PM

BLKHK.  I may get corrected here that's fine becouse I wold like to know myself. From what I understand several ta-152 built but only flew in the experience of evaluation stage.

the u.s army found the only one that was left. It was some j/g and there some speculation that it may have seen action.  I know all the different weapon package was never realized.

kinda like the paper panzers. Any who your build is looking good. I'm doing the h/b 190-d its bin a fun kit not a lot of extras.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:12 PM

HAPPY THANKSGIVING. To all who celebrate it.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:57 PM

Oh, I almost forgot! Happy Thanksgiving everyone! You are a great group to build with and I really enjoy participating here! We don't celebrate Thanksgiving in Austria, so today is just a normal Tuesday here in Vienna... That won't keep me from celebrating with you guys though!

Some of you were interested in an in-box review of the big B-17 IIRC. If you still are, I'm not as busy as I was the last weeks so I have plenty of time to write one...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:52 PM

Thanks everyone!

Joe: She's looking magnificant! I love everything about your odel, but that streaking effect really got me! May I try to copy that technique?

Joe (Rix): Great work, buddy! I still find it hard to believe that your model is only in 1/72nd scale. Very inpressive!

Matt: Looking very good as well! I really like that gray/green camo scheme!

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:39 PM

Haven't checked in on here in a while, got a lot of catching up to do.

lawdog, that's a really great looking build, awesome job.

matt, that's looking very nice.

Clemens, looks like someone is keeping busy. I am struggeling doing 2 at once.

Nathan, nice work. I do like the look of the NMF. Not something you see that often on German aircraft, I am going to have to try one of those schemes.

In regards to RLM 84, my understanding is that it was not an official colour. It was a field mix combining 65, 76 and 78. So of course the colour would vary depending on how it was mixed.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:59 AM

Nathan (and Doug), thank you for the info on weathering black/dark cockpits. Duly noted for future reference. And Nathan, that is a clever holding device you made there!

Joe, it is kind of funny to me that you (and the rest of you guys) can build something that to you is a disaster, and from my perspective it's "Wow, I hope someday I can pull something like that off". :) Sorry you are not satisfied, but it surely looks good from here!

Matt, that's some very nice work. Too many things to like to pick out anything specific. Looking good!

And Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:31 AM

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!  On this day of gratitude I wish to say Thank You to each and everyone of you for the friendship, encouragement and fun you all have provided in my life this past year. You all are a wonderful bunch of gentlemen that it has been my pleasure to build with.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Thursday, November 28, 2013 4:33 AM

I have not posted on here in a long while, but I have been watching and must say that there is some outstanding 190's being displayed here.  Love the French scheme, clean and tons of depth, yellow 10 is impressive - I doubt I have the skill with my AB to complete that scheme. 

I had signed up for a third, it was the Hobby Boss Ta-152 C1/R14, and now that life has settled down a bit I can post my pics.  While reading up on the R14 version, I discovered that it was designed on paper and never made it to production, however there were several R31's on the books at JG301 near the close of the war.  No pictures are known of the aircraft so any markings are purely speculative.  I did also note that the R14 had the cowl guns removed for weight/CG purposes where as the R31 maintained the 4 20mm guns as well as the one firing through the spinner.  Armed with this I determined to build this kit as an R31, but not necessarily from JG301. 

The Box:

After Market Decals:

Build pics:

As you can see, the rear of the engine is lacking some of the details that the Eduard kit has and is mounted too far forward.

Used the kit decal for the Instrument Panels and side panels, then forgot to take pictures prior to install:

Very easy assembly and only needed a small spreader bar below the cockpit near the wing trailing edge to reduce the gap to virtually nil.

Cockpit glass sealed in future prior to the masking and glued in place with superglue.  Rear glass tacked in place for painting. 

One of the major flaws in the kit. Notice the lip from the wing root inside the wheel wells and the noted absence of the components near the firewall.

Aircraft was primed with Tamiya gray primer and painted in the scheme matching the JG 301 aircraft.  Once the basic paint was complete I decided to not add the red/yellow bands and basically create my own markings. 

Sorry no in progress pictures of the painting.  But I will say the sides and bottom are RLM 84 (color of eagles brand) and the top is RLM 75 (Gray violet) and RLM 83 (light Green) with a light coat of 82 (dark green), all Polly Scale acrylic, for color variations. The Natural Metal on the bottom is Hawkeyes Talon Acrylic NMF paint with panels highlighted with his rub-n-buff powder.  First time I have used that paint an it turned out great!

 I did not pre-shade (primed then forgot really) so attempted to use light coats to build up color as needed.  Once the top colors were applied, I went back over the fuselage sides with RLM 84 and a brand new fine needle/nozzle to clean everything up. 

Then the normal gloss coat (future), decaling, followed by an artists oil wash and selected dry brushing.

here is another look at the fouled up details in the wheel well area, it screams for AM goodies!

the AM decal set also provided the decals for wood grain flaps

All that remains now is to add the exhaust staining and add the flat coat.  I still need to add the PE shoulder harnesses and headrest to the cockpit as well as the last antenna.

 

Hope you like it, feel free to comment/critique .

Happy thanksgiving,

Matt

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:20 AM

JOE RIX

Joe: Despite the trials and trevails you encountered you have done a magnificent job on your Eduard. I really like the effects you achieved on the underside. Very well done. Exactly how did you accomplish that?

Sorry Joe.  I missed your question.  Its condensation streaking that I simulate by lightening the base color with white then I literally streak it from front to back very fast.   The frame is then post shaded with mixture of NATO Black XF-69 and Red Brown XF-64 diluted with 91% Isoprophyl alcohol.  I vary the strength of this mixture by either adding more NATO or more alcohol.  Thats why there is different depth to it, such as darker exhausts stains and panels that stand out more than others.  I usually go lighter the further outward I go towards the wingtip.  I just keep doing it until it looks right to my eye.  If your airbrush is capable of fine lines, you'll be able to achieve this.  For the streaking, you'll need a cap (trust me).  Actually I keep a glass jar of the post shade mixture on hand so I don't have to mix it up everytime I need it.  The grungy look is courtesy of a Pro Modeler Flory wash.....fantastic stuff...

Joe     

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:01 AM

Thanks guys.  I have now dubbed this guy the "Der Mittlefinger Wurger".  Nathan, I am going to go ahead and build that Hasegawa A-5 when it arrives.....for therapy.  Besides I cannot get out of my Luftwaffe mood.  I'll get some Ultracast goodies for it too...more therapy.  I'm probably going to proceed as planned and build Mayer's JG 2 mount.  Joe R, "M1" is looking fantastic.  I love that contraption its sitting on.  Did you make that?  If so, I would love to know how....

Joe

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:17 AM

Joe: Despite the trials and trevails you encountered you have done a magnificent job on your Eduard. I really like the effects you achieved on the underside. Very well done. Exactly how did you accomplish that?

Blackdog: Given your discussion on RLM 84 here is something of interest. I utilized the paint samples from the following book:

This is a fabulous book if your an avid Luftwaffe enthusiast. It's a detailed analysis of colors utilized by the Luftwaffe and contains numerous paint chips. Anyway, here is their take on what is often called RLM 84, the Green-Blue sample. When I started my build I found that Gunze Duck Egg Green was a nearly dead on match. And as noted by Nathan, Gunze or Tamiya Sky is also an excellent match. I regret that my camera does not quite capture the sample all to well, but I hope it gives you a good idea and some info.

In the meanwhile, I applied the gloss cote and applied the decals on Black M1. So, I am pretty much back to where I was before all the mishaps set me back. It Feels Good!!

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:38 PM

Thanks for approval Lawdog and Bdog.

Lawdog- You have a way of turning out a great model despite the trouble you've had. I agree. That green JG 54 scheme sure grows on a guy, and more than makes up for a little missing pitot tube. Hope you join us again soon with another show stunner. Got a scheme in mind already??

Blackdog- Your Black twelve is my Blue 12. Same airplane, there is just some argument over whether it is in fact a blue or black 12. Here's Jerry Crandal's take:

My current build is painted in the normal RLM 76. I did another Dora awhile back in the greenish 76 shade, or rlm 84. I used Gunze sky:

Notice how the rudder is still the normal 76. There is little contrast.

I have a bunch of photos of this Blue/black 12, b&w as well as color, including a color video taken at the end of the war. If it would help I'll post it up. I'm looking forward to your pics no matter what you go with.

 

 

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Posted by blackdog62 on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:01 PM

I'm gona change topics here.  Back on page 256 of this gb nathan posted a historical photo of a #9 bird in scrap condition I zoomed in on it and its a great pic. Of a seat out of the aicraft. Do I see the head armor atached to the seat.? That would be different from most pics.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:49 PM

I decided to try some photos under diderent lighting and my collor turns up pale green. So maybe its rite after all.

LAWDOG.  Absolutely stunning work!

I'm really glad that I did this gb. Its my first and what a group of modlers its amazing the quality of builds being completed. Plus I really enjoy watching all the historical facts being posted.

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