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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, July 22, 2013 12:41 PM

Be very careful with the Walthers solvaset, it's very hot. Surprise It's what caused the destructionBang Head of the eagles head decal on my Fw190 that I'm just finishing up.  Don't get me wrong it works great, in fact I'm using it all the time now. And not using the Micro-sol.  I just had the unfortunate accident of it making the decal soft enough to get caught in the bristles of my brush and it wouldn't release and it tore the decal apart.

 My own fault I suppose, just learning to be more careful with the stuff.  when it's dry the decals do look like they are painted on.Smile

John

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, July 22, 2013 12:42 PM

Joe - She's looking fantastic! I have my fingers crossed for you when you go to fit the engine in as I know you have done a great deal of work to ensure a proper fit. And Joe, Thanks for the photos.

John - Boy, You;re off to great start. Every thing is looking very nice. I'll echo the nice job on that cowling. Also John, here is a link you might find interesting concerning the accuracy of the landing gear on the Dragon, Trimaster and Tamiya kits and how you can correct them.

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/fw190landinggear_2.htm

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 22, 2013 12:51 PM

Greg
Your WIP really looks good. Love the exterior finish. I have a dumb question or two. Being new to so much of this, I get confused by the order of things. Most of the builds in progress I see pretty much have the exterior done in one shot. Wondering why the front section is waiting for later, and secondly curious how the joins will be blended into that gorgeous exterior finish.Perhaps pics later when you join the front

Well the answer to that question is that virtually everything on the front will be opened up. Engine access panels and cowl gun panels. Just alot of work left to do up front. I will paint the access panels separately. Same colors and same brand of paint. No sweat.

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, July 22, 2013 1:00 PM

I have to make a tough decision and I hope all you guys here can help me out:

There are a lot of 190 kits on sale at Hannants, but I only want to get me 2 of them at max (saving money for a big B-17).

Here's a list of all the kits that have a good price:

I'm thinking along the lines of the less-expensive Hasegawa and Dragon kits... I have to admit that I'm an eduardaholic though... How about a combination of both?

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, July 22, 2013 1:04 PM

Great work on your 190, Joe! Are you using any AM sets for the open cowl panels, or are you going to do some scratchbuilding?

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Posted by Greg on Monday, July 22, 2013 1:16 PM

mustang1989

Greg
Your WIP really looks good. Love the exterior finish. I have a dumb question or two. Being new to so much of this, I get confused by the order of things. Most of the builds in progress I see pretty much have the exterior done in one shot. Wondering why the front section is waiting for later, and secondly curious how the joins will be blended into that gorgeous exterior finish.Perhaps pics later when you join the front

Well the answer to that question is that virtually everything on the front will be opened up. Engine access panels and cowl gun panels. Just alot of work left to do up front. I will paint the access panels separately. Same colors and same brand of paint. No sweat.

Ahah! Thanks for that.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 22, 2013 1:53 PM

Joe Rix: Thanks for the cudos man! The engine fit problem shouldn't be an issue now. I've practically used two kits up in the making of this one! Built a spare engine , partially built a fuselage and partially built another wing assy all in the name of fit and PE wire routing.

Greg:No problemo dude!

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 22, 2013 3:14 PM

SchattenSpartan

Great work on your 190, Joe! Are you using any AM sets for the open cowl panels, or are you going to do some scratchbuilding?

All kinds of AM stuff. ALL KINDS. Every once in a while I'll throw a small scratch built something in there but I didn't have to scratchbuild much as this is a Royal Class kit.  The panels are photo etch with outside and inside detail. Gotta fold the panel in half to get both sides but the cowl panels are definitely PE.  Thanks for the good words buddy, Joe

Oh yeah and my vote goes to the Tamiya offering. Why not throw something a little easier and out of the ordinary in there.

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, July 22, 2013 4:41 PM

Joe...(mustang) WOW...   as you go on with the WIP, The more I want to see! Great work Brother!!! Your building a DO335? When? I love the "Phiel" I did one in the Twin Engine Bomber GB last year... IMO Absolutely the coolest looking prop plane the Germans built! Man, PLEASE keep me posted on that one!

Clemens, I have to check out the Hannants site... Too many good deals to hear you talk about it... I'll try to find it later. And yes the Solvaset is HOT, Thats why I prefer the Micro set, But you know on some of these Mfg decals it may do a better job.

John, (falcon mod) Looking forward to seeing your 'dragon' come together, They do things a little different at Dragon, But I like their stuff for the most part.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, July 22, 2013 5:02 PM

Doug: Hannants has some great sales. I like Squadron more regarding their special offers, but Hannants has more products AFAIK and Squadron charges me 55$ shipping cost for a single kit... Aint gonna buy there untill they lower the shipping costs...

Just a little side note: The Do-335 is called "Pfeil" (German for "arrow"). Not being picky here, just tying to share some knowledge... I'd love to see that one built as well (Joe, your turn!)

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 22, 2013 5:04 PM

Thanks Doug. Finally took a picture that did the ol' bird some justice. As for the 335 I don't know when I'll start that one yet. Want to right now but too many builds ahead of it.

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, July 22, 2013 5:20 PM

Is there any AM company that produces a "Hagelkorn" ? (<- there's a link in case you don't know what that is). I know that Hasegawa has a kit with a Hagelkorn, but It is really expensive. I'd love to add it to one of my Eduard 190s though...

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, July 22, 2013 7:07 PM

 Dont blame you Clemens... 55 dollars is way over too much to ship! Also please forgive my spelling(oops) should have looked at the kit before putting in post...Do love that "bird" though...This is one I built about a year ago, Would love to try another.

Found Hannants... I think I'm going to like their store!

Take care...

Doug

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 22, 2013 9:02 PM

Is that the Tamiya offering Doug?

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 22, 2013 10:24 PM

SchattenSpartan

Just a little side note: The Do-335 is called "Pfeil" (German for "arrow"). Not being picky here, just tying to share some knowledge... I'd love to see that one built as well (Joe, your turn!)

I actually have a couple of books on that thing and good ones too. I don't know if I'll turn  one out in 2014 but I may the following year. Cool bird I agree!

                   

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, July 22, 2013 10:26 PM

SchattenSpartan

Is there any AM company that produces a "Hagelkorn" ? (<- there's a link in case you don't know what that is). I know that Hasegawa has a kit with a Hagelkorn, but It is really expensive. I'd love to add it to one of my Eduard 190s though...

Hey Cemens, I get daily notices from ebay if any new items appear for "1/48 Focke Wulf FW 190" and it just so happens this Hasegawa with Hagelkorn appeared. Bidding appears to be currently around $8.50 with $6.80 shipping. Here's the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330959311957&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:40 AM

Joe... Its the Tamiya, with a Verlinden resin upgrade kit,

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:42 AM

Oh, also has a Strike Eagle  decal set...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:48 AM

Doug: Your "Pfeil" looks awesome! May I ask what brand/scale it is? (I presume 48th?) I want ot build one as well. (How about starting a GB for them?)

Joe (Rix): Thanks for the link. It's 1/72nd scale though. I don't build anything smaller than 1/48. (everything else is too small for me...)

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:49 AM

So Tamiya 1/48 it is? How is that kit?

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:51 AM

SchattenSpartan
Joe (Rix): Thanks for the link. It's 1/72nd scale though. I don't build anything smaller than 1/48. (everything else

Whoops, My bad. That's what I get for multi tasking.

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Posted by Jester75 on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:13 AM

That Pfiel is very sharp Doug, nice!!

Eric

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:29 AM

I've heard good things about how that kit goes together. I have the trainer version of it. I forget how much AM stuff I have crammed into that box and its been a year or so since I have looked in the box but I do remember having ALOT of stuff for that one! Got three builds to get through to where I'll see enough light of day to be able to take that one on though.

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:18 AM

Good news, Guys!

I got an email from the owner of my LHS:

He just ordered a huge pile of Zoukai Mura kits: He didn't order any Mustang kits and only one Skyraider though. The Mustang is a no-go for him, because he has several P-51s from Tamiya already, retailing for the same price... The Skyraider is very expensive, so he jsut ordered one of them to see if anyone will buy it. BUT: He did order a whole bunch of Ta-152s!!! I'm so going to buy one of them!

Oh, I just ordered the Hasegawa 190 (with the car) and Tamiya's A-3...

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Posted by falconmod on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:30 AM

Clemen;'s

    I'm not familiar with  Zoukai Mura kits, are they a European company?  I am just finishing up a Tamiya A-3  you will like it, very easy to assemble. Just don't use Walthers solvaset on the decals like I did and end up having to by AM decals to fix what I messed up. Oops

John

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:04 PM

falconmod

Clemen;'s

    I'm not familiar with  Zoukai Mura kits, are they a European company?  I am just finishing up a Tamiya A-3  you will like it, very easy to assemble. Just don't use Walthers solvaset on the decals like I did and end up having to by AM decals to fix what I messed up. Oops

John

ZM is some pretty bad A stuff from what I've seen. I don't really build the bigger scale planes but if I did the He-219 would be at the top of the list from them.  As far as the Tamiya stuff, theirs is easy most of the time. There are a couple of kits out there that are not that great but they are far and few between. Got any pics of that A-3?

                   

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Posted by falconmod on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:12 PM

Mustang:

    I'll have to take some pictures tonight and post them tomorrow, to bad they won't count but I'm almost done with that one.

John

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:46 PM

Clemens... Thats a great idea about a Do-335 GB. If memory serves I think only about 27 actually saw any combat before the end but what a cool airplane. Yes its a 1/48 Tamiya with some resin upgrades, And as always, with Tamiya, very few problems, what did pop up was minor and easily over come. The other kits are the venerable old Monogram and the Monogram Pro Modeler. Not a Tamiya but not bad kits at all. If the GB idea takes root , I'm in "fo sho".

Jester... Thank you sir! most appreciated, I again find myself admiring your paint work! You indeed have a good eye and touch for the detail!

Joe (mustang) after seeing your work on other kits, I cant wait to see what you can do to a Do335...

Joe R , hows the 190 comming along? I'm going to get some silly putty this weekend and experament abit. Appreciate the tip!

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:00 PM

Hey Doug, Man I'm lovin' on that 335 also. That is some awesome work you did there. As far as my 190 goes I slapped some silly putty on and repainted the RLM 84 where it pulled off with the tape. Now how just need to readjust and touch up the RLM 75. By the way there is an item I failed to mention about my experience with silly putty. It really sticks to flat paint. It does work a bit better to remove if you use it on a glossy surface. You can use it on a flat surface it's just that you may need to blot bits of it off with another piece of putty. I believe you will enjoy using it though. Oh yeah, I have yet to see silly putty lift paint off a model. Another plus.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:22 PM

Thanks Joe... I'm going to try a few panels I've prepped to test this weekend. Thats what I like about this GB, there is an over abundance of knowledge and talent here. I've picked up some darn good tips from most everyone here. Just couldnt ask for a better group to build with!

Take care

Doug

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