Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

Now that is interesting!!

Thanks guys. A spreader bar coulda worked I guess Jester but the wings weren't parallel to the fuselage at the roots. I had to sand and taper my shims a bit. I haven't used that trick in a while cause my last few builds had so much resin in them there wasnt' much plastic left under the pit for one, but I may have to re-visit the spreader bar.

Here's the scheme again:

Coming right along Nathan!! Nice work overcoming those problem areas. I was very fortunate that I was able to close any wingroot gap up completely by using a spreader underneath the rear of the pit. I probably missed it, but what markings are you going with this round?

That does look good Nathan. I had the same problem  I don't see how to get the wings all closed up with no gap at the leading edge with all of that crap inside the wing. Lots of trimming and just plain leaving stuff out is how I did it! P.S. Don't tell anybody...

Looking good Nathan!

Thanks Rix. I wanna say Sprue B. or Rollmodels.

Nice work with the shims Nathan. Overall, she's looking right nice. I've got ask where you got those nifty round sanding sticks. They appear to be really handy.

Got lots of work done at the bench this weekend! It wasn't all devoted to the D-13 though. I got the wings glued on as well as the nose. The kit isn't fitting as well as I'd hoped after dry-fitting. Of course now there's so much crap stuffed inside the wings and fuselage. The lower wing isn't moulded quite right, so lining up the rear lower wing doesn't equal exact alignment with the upper halves. The upper halves either line up at the wing tips or the wing roots, not both. I chose to line up the tips and ended up using small shims at the roots. If you're carefull with the shims it should lead to no putty needed at the roots. Take a look:

The notorious lower wing to fuselage gap again reared its ugly head and needed a shim and some putty:

Then on to the sanding and blending of the shims at the wing roots. I've discovered these cool round sanding sticks. Great for wing roots and they come in 12 grits:

Also decided to build this Dora with the cowl flaps closed, but wanted them to stand out more, so I deepend the scribed lines that make them up with my razor saw. Not sure if it shows up well in these pics:

And hey, I remembered to sneak in the metal gun tubes in the wing halves before I closed everything up this time!!

 As far as references for D-9's go this has gotta be the best I've seen yet............

now for Volume 2................... 

I think Nathan is right... I also read that at first you could depend on the canopy style and antena wire combo according to wrk #, but as time went on it grew to mean little as to a certain canopy and antena wire combo. I am looking through my books also to see if I can find that statement, it also had pictures to show what they were talking about.

Depending on the werk number of scale model you guys want to build I may have enough info to tell you wether it had a blown canopy or not. Volume 1 of this series has a lot of information. Almost can't wait to get volume 2!!!

Nathan T

Sounds like the Manufacturer's were just omitting it and trying to keep things simple by that stage. Good report Joe!

Sounds like the Manufacturer's were just omitting it and trying to keep things simple by that stage. Good report Joe!

Well guys according to what I'm reading a lot of the D's with Werknumbers of 200 and 211 series had the flats. I am finding a lot of the 500 series and even 600 series that came with flat canopies also. I will say that even though I'm finding a surprising number that had the flat canopy that the pulley systems were not in place on them.

I've been searching high and low in that book too since this has been brought up. I'll get back to you all on this subject.

Interesting find Joe. I see no reason why the canopy would need to be retrofited in the field. Why bother when there was so many other things going on during the Reich's final months? Squadron might have that fact of flat canopies being replaced wrong. But according to Jerry Crandal, a good number of earlier build Doras came with the flat canopy. Mustang is the man here cause he just bought the bible and Jerry documents every type of canopy according to all the pics he has collected. On some pics of wrecked airframes where the canopy is missing, he just speculates what type it may have had according to the serial #.

I only found a single photo of a D with a flat canopy as well. All the others had the blown one...

I'm revisiting the canopy discussion as I have come across some info that has me pondering. I was gleaning through my copy of Squadron/Signal, Walk Around FW 190D to see what was in there concerning canopies and I came across this interesting yet confusing reference. The book states that most 190Ds left the factory with the flat canopy. Now, I can only recall one picture I have seen with a 190D with a flat canopy. All others have the blown canopy. So, What gives? Is this an accurate statement? Did they retrofit the canopy in the field to the blown canopy? What is everyone's take on this? Does anyone have a reference that confirms or refutes this? I'm interested in what anyone can find.

Yep, that 190 is armed to the teeth! Makes 6 20mm cannons in total!

wow guys thanks for all that input on the airial cable. looks like a closed canopy for my build. its a 190d with the big armor. I just like the looks of the tight airial cable

schattan.  that's one capable looking 190 I have never gun pods with 2 each..

Yep, with metal barrels! I'll build the one on the box top...

Ohh sweet. Are the gun packs resin?

Thanks Nathan! I'll try to get me some of those books!

Aaand yeah, you probably guessed it. I bought another 190...

SchattenSpartan

That pic is from a not so secret place called "google image search". You sometimes find really good information on the internet. I d like to get me some reference material on the 190s though, especially the radial versions. Any tips?

I would start with the Squadron walk around. It can be found very cheap but has some good valuable info in it. If you want to spend more I would go for the new Smith and Creek Volumes.

Edit: Oops, wrong GB.... I moved this post to the correct one...

That pic is from a not so secret place called "google image search". You sometimes find really good information on the internet. I d like to get me some reference material on the 190s though, especially the radial versions. Any tips?

Thanks Joe.

We've all done it at one point or another Greg. Look at it this way, now you have the information you need and you CAN pass it on now. Really liking your build so far Greg!

Joe, Clemens, thanks for your nice comments.

Re my canopy info misinformation, oops! I know better than to be answering questions about a subject I know nothing about. Just get all caught up in the thrill and newness (to me) of participating sometimes.

Looks like a pic from the Squadron Walk Around? Good book. The Blown canopy's different style head armour didn't leave any room for the pulley system, thus a slack aerial line. One thing also, the pulley system was sometimes removed or absent even in the standard canopy in late war 190s just to save weight or to keep things simple.