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ARMOR - British/Commonwealth Group Build (9/17/04 to 12/31/04)

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  • From: Midwest US
Posted by balta1 on Friday, November 19, 2004 5:59 PM
I'm still working on my challenger and hope to paint it this weekend. BTW, Do most of you glue the tracks and paint or do you paint first and then glue them?

Stir not the bitterness in the cup I have mixed for myself!

 

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  • From: Montreal
Posted by buff on Friday, November 19, 2004 1:41 PM
Does anybody know what color my Churchill would have been primed/undercoated with? I think the front fenders would have taken a real bashing, and I want to show some chips and scrapes.

On the bench: 1/32 Spit IXc

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  • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
Posted by lizardqing on Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:43 PM
Ok y'all, I have not forgotten about this shindig. Just got real busy at work and have a few builds needing to get finished up for Christmas gifts. But I have worked on the Challenger a bit lately.

The kit I have is the Hobby Craft reboxed Trumpeter one. So far I have had to deal with duplicate printed instruction sheets ( therefore leaving out the needed one ) , alot of flash, ill fitting parts and the such. Needless to say it has not been an enjoyable kit thus far and all I have worked on is a bit of the hull. Hopefully I can knock out enough on the cars to get some time in on the Chally this weekend , if I can get enough progress done to warent it, I'll get some pics up.
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  • From: Montreal
Posted by buff on Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:39 PM
Finally finished assembly of the tank itself. The figures and extras can wait a little. I'll start painting this weekend. I'll post some pics before I start with the paints.

On the bench: 1/32 Spit IXc

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:49 PM
John looking forward to pics.

Zokissma, the base is far from finished at the moment but what I did/will do is:
The board is MDF to which I added some Pine moulding for the decorated edge. It is also good to give you the edge to contain the groundwork.

The ground work is casting Plaster (Plaster of Paris) mixed with cheap black and dark brown artists acryllic paint - I do this to prevent unsighlty white spots if the base is chipped. Before the plaster sets I just push it around with my fingers to get a nice slightly undulating ground effect, and to build up the area the hedgerow will be. Then I sprinkle different sizes of cat litter (mainly smaller pieces) and fine sand over the base, pushing the cat litter in a little as real rock does not sit up above the surface.

I let that set up for a bit then I drapped cling film (Plastic food wrap) over the base and pressed various tread patterns in the road using old models, spare track lengths and wheels from trucks, etc, finally finishing with the tread pattern from the centaur. The cling film prevents plaster sticking in the tread links and from being pulled off the base when you remove the vehicle. It is thin enough to ensure that good definition in the tread pattern is retained. Just remove it before the plaster fully hardens.

When completely dry I then, using a 50/50 mix of white glue and water in a cheap garden spray bottle (the kind a hairdresser uses to wet down your her when they cut it works well), mist sprayed the whole base with glue mix to make sure the sand, etc is held down, and then sprinkled static grass over that.

When dry the dirt track was sprayed in various earthy colours (for Normandy the soil is a light pinky brown). I used Tamiya Matt Earth first and covered the whole base, then I mixed a little Desert Yellow into to that and mist coated, lightened that with the yellow again, and then a very patchy mist coat with a little white added to the earth/yellow mix.

The static grass was sprayed various green colours, the Normandy grasses are a very bright green as you can see from this pic, the inspiration for the base:
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Then the rocks were painted Panzer gray, and finally the whole road and rocks were dry brushed with Humbrol matt earth lightened with trainer yellow to blend it together. The rock in Normandy is almost a slate colour and the slight contrast looks great. This is a pic that I lifted from another Forum showing what I mean, hope they do not mind:


I prefer to keep my bases small, so a large hedgerow was out of the question.I decided to just hint at the hedge by keeping the foliage low like in the first pic. First I drilled some holes and glued in two fence posts (real tree twig sections) and clumps of Woodland Scenics straw in place, these to represent the trunks and branches of the hedge plants (don't need to be fussy because most of that will be covered up. On top of that I glued pieces of Woodland Scenics 'Foliage'. This is designed to be glued to their tree trunks, but is great for what I want. It is a stringy kind of mat that has a foam like material glued to it. You can pull the stuff apart to look like clumps of leaves on branches. Anyway, I glued these clumps over the straw, making sure they hung to the ground , then added a couple more layers over that. You can see through parts into the layers underneath - quite effective. This stuff is a uniform colour, so I will be spraying that in different green colours to finish it. I will also add little drops of Yellow paint to the ends of some of the upright static grass beside the road, to represent the flower heads in the pic- don't know if they bloom in June, but what the hey, the contrast breaks up the plainness of the base. I will probably add a broken crate and some other bits along the roadside to add some interest.

When it is finished I will post some closer pics.

Keep up the good work all.
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  • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posted by zokissima on Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:26 AM
Nice work petbat. Can you tell us what you did with the dio, in terms of groundwork, painting, and greenery?
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:02 AM
yay!!!!!Party [party]Party [party]Party [party] I finished!!!!! I think this is one of my best models i have turned out so far. The wash and dry brushing worked perfectly. I might just be getting the hang of things!I should get pics tommorow, I hope... Only flaws i can see is the roof (top of the turret) was glued on and puttied very crappily, dont know why i didnt see it when i primed. The other flaw is the primer i used came out with an orange peel. One other thing, I dont think its my fault, the decals are really thick and you can see the edges on some.
well, like I said, I'll try to get pics tommorow.
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:17 PM
Thanks Erica. Just don't take up politics.... you could have milked this for a lot of Mileage instead of making a firm decision straight away..... maybe our 'Pollies' should take a lesson from you.

Okay, number 1 it is, provided that no late comers come in and vote elsewise in the next few days.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:21 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat
Okay my pref on the badge is #1, so it is tied between 1 and 2 at the moment. Failing anyone else wanting to vote, it likes like Erica (Frostygirl) holds the seat of power at this time (unless she votes for #3). All eyes are on you girl.[:0][:0][:0]Cool [8D] Final date for the vote will be Sunday midnight US time (Monday down here)
Ps Thanks to t3488g for submitting a badge. He put in a lot of effort, and I appreciate the time he took.

ahhh, the pressure !!!
that's what i get 4 not voting sooner... LOL ...
of course, i like all three, each 4 different reasons... if i have 2 pick one,
i'll vote 4 badge #1... graphics r strong & clean IMHO.
now if i can just find some build time...

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:53 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by diggeraone

Well Petbat since I was born in England,my vote would have to go for badge #1.Digger


A Pom hey, guess we won't hold it against you Digger Big Smile [:D] (Actually my Father was born in Yorkshire and emigrated to Oz in 1952 with his parents and siblings, so I shouldn't rib you Poms being Have English myself.....let's just gang up on the Kiwi's instead Evil [}:)]Tongue [:P])

Okay my pref on the badge is #1, so it is tied between 1 and 2 at the moment. Failing anyone else wanting to vote, it looks like Erica (Frostygirl) holds the seat of power at this time (unless she votes for #3). All eyes are on you girl.[:0][:0][:0]Cool [8D] Final date for the vote will be Sunday midnight US time (Monday down here)

Ps Thanks to t3488g for submitting a badge. He put in a lot of effort, and I appreciate the time he took.
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:27 AM
I am very close to finishing now. I got the decals on and a wash on. All I have to do is the tracks and a dullcoat. Thats It! Then the dio.....
John
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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:14 PM
Well Petbat since I was born in England,my vote would have to go for badge #1.Digger
Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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  • From: Upstate NY
Posted by Build22 on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:04 PM


looking good, Buff and Petbat Thumbs Up [tup]


Peter - #2 - gets my vote - they all are nice


Jim [IMG]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:51 PM
Good to see you back Digger. Hope the fall through of the job didn't effect you financially. Looking forward to seeing her finished.

Erica, Digger & Jim.......Badge preferences?

Rebel, build OOB as long as you like, it is far cheaper, and less frustrating. Remember the only person you need to impress is yourself. I have seen guys spend big bucks on AM parts, and the end result is still not as good as some of the OOB stuff you have posted. When you are ready, start small and just replace fittings, add weld seams, etc. Just remember, once the Scratch bug bites, that's it....look at me, the Centaur was going to be OOB - I just can't help myself.

Buff, nice work on the retaining pin and fittings. Trying to get the scratch bits to scale is the biggest challenge and often far more time consuming that the rest of the build. I rarely use AM PE, prefering to make most stuff myself, but this doubles or more the time on a build.

Okay, a progress pic on the Centaur. The vehicle itself is almost complete, the simple base is underway and the figures are being painted (for the second time). Hope to finish the lot soon.

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  • From: Montreal
Posted by buff on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:29 PM
Finally got the mounting brackets done. Amazing how often you have to do things over when you first scratchbuild the simplest stuff! Anyway the pic is below. Sorry about the quality. The rest of the assembly should go pretty smoothly now. The aim is to have the assembly done by the end of the week and to start painting early next week. After that, a base with some landscaping and then the figures. I might just get this done by the end of December.Wink [;)]

On the bench: 1/32 Spit IXc

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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:20 AM
I'm back the job fell throught so I have a chance to finish the Valentine.Dave great work on that SAS Landrover.Digger
Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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  • From: Upstate NY
Posted by Build22 on Monday, November 15, 2004 11:16 PM


Great job, Frosty !Thumbs Up [tup]

Looking good !



Zokissma - detail is great. Very fine and visible. I still can't believe how they got the hull cast in piece with all that stuff on it

Peter - oh, Hindu ! That's what I did wrong !


Jim [IMG]
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, November 15, 2004 11:00 PM
Well, its good your having fun. I think we are complete opposites though. I am completly satisfied with OOB models, most of the time. I am fairly new to the hobby though.

Tonight I got a lot done. Finally got around to painting my Whippet and got on the post shading. I am going to spray the future on right after i log off. I'll try to get some pics tommorow. I should also be finished tommorow. Still got to get the figs for my Dio though.

John
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 15, 2004 8:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by rebelreenactor
John, must you super detail everything!!! Big Smile [:D]Shock [:O]Shock [:O] Its crazy, i would lose my mind if i ever attempted this! I seem to remember you doing a lot of detailing on the Towed Gun GB. keep up the great work!


It's a character flaw .... somewhere along the line I lost the ability to build anything OOB, or perhaps I don't understand "If it ain't broke, don't fix it...." I don't know, but for me the FUN in modelling is the research into the real thing & the fixes to the kit to match up ....

I hate painting so it evens out somewhere ....

PS: I forgot to mention my lesson learned -- do not install the driveshafts until done screwing around with the chassis -- this one is showing the wear a bit too much ....

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BTW: Peter -- I vote for #2 !!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 15, 2004 3:57 PM
John. Fantastic; a work of art. That is one fine build alright.

Dave, welcome aboard.

Build, if you squint a bit, turn the instructions around a few degrees, and chant a Hindu prayer, they might make more sense. Don't you just love the way the resin is all different colours?

Erica, looking sweet. That's a fairly crisp detailed kit for Braille scale. Still a reasonable size though just looking at it on your cutting board and comparing sizes.

****ALL. DON'T FORGET TO PLACE YOUR VOTE FOR THE GB BADGE**** The vote is still pretty even at this stage, but we should settle on one by the end of the week..
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 15, 2004 11:40 AM
folks, here's a quick pic of my project, revell's Chally 1 in 1/72

this is wheels installed, upper & lower hull sections dry-fitted...

frostySmile [:)]
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  • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posted by zokissima on Monday, November 15, 2004 11:02 AM
Great job Daveash. The figure definitely does fit the scene.

jratz; you're definitely skilled at wielding styrene Big Smile [:D]

That's a pretty big chunk of resin Build22. How's the detail of the kit?

Nothing new for me since the outburst of time last week. Not much left to do before I start painting, but it'll be some time, since I'm lacking a place to spray right now.
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  • From: Upstate NY
Posted by Build22 on Monday, November 15, 2004 5:34 AM

Daveash, Looks great ! Thumbs Up [tup]


Jratz, coming along nicely Thumbs Up [tup]



Okay, Peter, I'm ready to roll (finally) I guess better late, than never

Cromwell's resin Challenger 2




Great detail - it's almost done before you start !




Where's the challenge to that kit ? Well, I think it's in the directions







Jim [IMG]
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:02 PM
Dave thats a great Job!!!!!
John, must you super detail everything!!! Big Smile [:D]Shock [:O]Shock [:O] Its crazy, i would lose my mind if i ever attempted this! I seem to remember you doing a lot of detailing on the Towed Gun GB. keep up the great work!
John
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  • From: QLD, Australia
Posted by Armour_freek on Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:54 PM
hey guys

Petbat i know its late but can you put me down for a tamiya challenger 2 . Ill have to work a bit faster now lol

cheers
Dave
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:26 PM
I'm back .... been a while ...

Progress on my 2-pounder en portee

Heres the current pieces & parts. I've been adding detail to the cab -- throttle, brake, clutch pedals & linkage, grill work, hood & doors are working. I've added a few parts to the chassis -- the brass cylinder is the vacuum tank, and you can see the fuel tanks. But the bulk of work went into the rear deck so I could load & mount the 2-pounder. You can see rails, the trolley, the chocks, and [part of the 2-pounder carriage, and oh yes, the start of a winch.



The two-pounder sits in a trolley which is winched up the rails to clamp up against the chocks at the end of the rails. There are 24 little pieces of Plasti-Struct in the trolley, and I'll let you count bolt-heads
...


Here's a view from the rear when the trolley & carriage are snugged up to the chock.



And here is most of it tacked together ....



Now I'm bottle-necked on the chassis. I've got to throw in a few parts to simulate master cylinders & what-not and run some fuel, brake, etc lines & cables so I can get it painted before mounting the two rear bed pieces. I can't go much further with the rails & whatnot until I get the bed mounted.

In the mean-time, I can do the ammo box & seat on the intermediate bed, and I can start real work on the 2-pounder itself.

Have I mentioned how much fun I am having with this ???

John
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  • From: Montreal
Posted by buff on Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:15 PM
I've made some progress on the mounting brackets for the tow cables. The front ones were a piece of cake, and so were the middle ones. The rear ones, with the cotter pins and chain were a massive pain. The first attempt ended up way out of scale. Then it became a battle to find a way to make it small enough, yet still be able to handle the parts. Curse my stubby fingers! Anyway I've think I've got it done. I just need to attach the chain then glue on the last parts. If it works, I'll take some pics.
BTW, I vote for three. It has a Canadian flag, and a vehicle we used, so it's my winner.

On the bench: 1/32 Spit IXc

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:22 AM
Certainly earned the badge Daveash - we will need to make a decision in the next few days so you can wear it.

The landrover looks great. nice subtle colours and weathering. I have one of these lurking in my collection....might even build it one day.
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  • From: South Australia
Posted by South Aussie on Sunday, November 14, 2004 2:52 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat

I've my preference Wayne....just don't want to influence you guys and gals with it. By the way, how is your build going?


Very slowly at present, I hope to be able spend more time on it now that the South Australian Plastic Model Expo is over and my change of modelling room has been completed.

Daveash, your model looks excellent, thanks for sharing.

Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.
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  • From: St Helens, England
Posted by Daveash on Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:43 PM
The flesh is burnt umber oil paint over a base coat of Humbrol 61 "flesh". The uniform is Humbrol khaki, again with oil paint in the creases. I am still experimenting with figure painting so I guess he could look better.
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