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ARMOR - British/Commonwealth Group Build (9/17/04 to 12/31/04)

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 29, 2004 7:57 PM
Bow [bow]Bow [bow]Bow [bow] That is one sweet build there John. Looks fantastic.

There is a lot of work going on there that really needs to be explained alright. Read it a couple of times to take it all in. It will be a shame to paint it all at the end, but I'm sure that will only improve it anyway.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 28, 2004 7:39 PM
Another two weeks gone by, here we are again.

I've mentioned making decisions based on the info available and what my concept of the project was. One of those decisions was the rear bed of the portee -- it could be a single-piece/level or a two-piece/level affair. I selected the latter because it seemed closer to my vision and also because I figured I'd need the fudge factor offered by the raised deck when fitting the 2-pounder legs and was I ever right !!!

One of the difficulties with a project such as this is the precise mating of parts from disparate kits. The TA & IT vehicles weren't bad; they are close enough to fit with little effort. And while I try very hard to build things to the proper scale size, I am not working with exact drawings, but rather pictures from which I have to interpret size & shape. Sometimes, now matter how I try, the kit parts won't match so "adjustments" have to be made -- this is the fun & the pain of this type work.

The first place I ran into problems was making the rails, trolley & chocks for the gun carriage (see prev post). When all was said & done, the chocks became "representative". Another thing that took a great deal of time & effort was getting all those pieces in place such that the rear trails of the carriage were not too high.

Why, all this talk & no pictures ??? Read on, it is a good intro to this post.

But first a word from the cab & frame. I was not happy with my doors, neither the scratch-built ones or the openings on the cab -- part of the problem was that the floorboard was flush with the door post & they just didn't sit / cover right. So I reworked the cab side with some 10-thou strip to build up a proper ledge and rebuilt the doors to fit snugly. I had to reposition the fuel tanks because they were too far back (like 1/32" or so) and getting in the way of the soon to be built storage boxes. I built steps for both sides from some kit rails, Evergreen, & spare P/E. At the very rear of the chassis you'll see two triangular pieces that will hold the 2-pdr wheels.



So, now the frame is coming along. I need storage boxes on each side just aft of the fuel tanks, and I need fuel-can carriers aft of them. Other than that, I need to do whatever wiring & detailing in/under the frame itself ... and oh, yes, the battery & still have the spare tire carrier to finish. I can start the cab clean-up & final detailing as I've got my fit issues resolved.

Now we can move on to the rear deck. With the rear part, trolley, etc done, it is time to move on to the raised piece. The trails of the 2-pounder partially fold and end up sliding under the combination ammo box and seat.

I started with the ammo box -- there were two styles, top-load & front load -- and I chose the latter. One of my problems was the size of the ammo box vs the size of 2-pdr containers. Lacking exact dimensions and any shot of the inside of the ammo box, I decided to make one that seemed the correct size/proportion and to not get hung up over exact storage -- loose rounds & whatnot would work. So what you see is the ammo box, with seat. I still have to do the fold-down door. It is made of thin ply and anlge "iron" with holes drilled to take .032 wire as a pseudo-nail. I may not have mentioned it before but I usually build up wood parts & then coat with MinWax clear poly-eurathane; that allows me to "preserve" the wood thru the build.



The 2-pdr carriage was something else. The kit comes with rear leg pieces that can be positioned as desired & glued down. I needed more flexibility to fit this into my mount, so I spent time carefully drilling holes thru the leg mount and pin, then running a piece of wire thru to hinge them. This is something I wish I had done with my first 2-pdr. I had to rebuild the pieces several times because the resin wasn't strong enough to hold the wires & motion.

And here is the first fit of the carriage onto the rear decks with legs folded.





Now I can work the seat handles, ammo door & hinges, and the mount for the seat, to include the winch bearings and handle. I also need a couple small brackets to hold the folded legs. A bit more work on the clamp for the front leg & things will be moving quite nicely. But there is so much to do before I can start painting & joining the bigger pieces, not to mention getting to work on the rest of the gun.


Anyway, here it all is, with the ammo box & seat kinda propped into place.



I am having FUN !!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 27, 2004 8:52 PM
Always a pleasure having you with us Digger. Keep popping in to see what the rest of us are up to (the wife has planned out the weekend, so the Centaur won't be finished until next week - such is life..

PS, chalk and white paint.........sounds just like the real thing alright! Very effective results for sure.
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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Saturday, November 27, 2004 1:13 PM
Well I wanted to thank ya'll earlyer but this morning the power went out.Now I have a chance to thank ya'll and to say ,I had a blast doning these projects.I hope they measure up to your all standards.So far want I have seen on this group build has been excellent and hope to see all of them when finished.I also want to thank ya'll for being a friend to me.This has been fun and wish that I had another Slimey Limey tank to do.I also wish that I had not the Bishop done at the time of build started,but I did so...it is posted some ware in the armor forum.As for the Valentines white wash that allows the base coat to bleed through was easy.1 ground up some white clauk and use some ft.white paint.2 dip brush into paint then dip into ground up clauk,do this real good.Then apply to tank and watch the majic happen.Well that is it and ya'll have a good day.Digger
Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 26, 2004 2:19 PM
Rebel, Yeah I know....I just added the State of Intoxicated! (It was a typo - that's what you get for not watching what you input with chubby little fingers. )

Yes the water vortex is different in the Southern Hemisphere. The gravitational pull on water is called the Coriolis Effect. See:
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html
What I think is scary, is if you live on the Equator, does your water spin at all?

No worries Chris, just keep plugging away.
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Friday, November 26, 2004 1:07 PM
looking good so far zok and buff. Buff, that chain adds some really nice detail.

petbat, I had NO idea that Australia was so big, seems small on our globes. I have a climate very close to yours. In the summer here its usually about 100F more or less.
In the winter, I think the lowest it ever got since I have been born, was about 28F (at night). Its usually about 40F in the winter nights though.
when am I coming to visit? Well, as soon as I can get over the fear of watching the toilet water spin backwards! (Does that really happen? I think its a big myth over here)
oh, and just for the record... We have 50 statesBig Smile [:D]
John
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  • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
Posted by lizardqing on Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:07 PM
Great builds guys. Turned out nice.

My Challenger is pretty much stalled right now. Mainly a cross between trying to get a few others done still and lack of time. Hopefully I can draw up the patience and will pwer to drag it out this weekend and deal with the kit some more.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:36 PM
A lot of great work going on there Zokissima. Pity the pics aren't clear because this looks like a build worth taking a real close look at. Looking forward to more pics on this one.

Rebel, I live in Brisbane, Queensland, the capital city of the north eastern state of Australia. The state has a tropical to sub-tropical climate, but here in Brissie, in the south east of the state we are in the more temparate zone. Rarely gets colder than 4 degrees celcius (39.2 degrees F) at night in Winter, but regularly get up to 37 degrees C (98.6 degrees F) in Summer (with some days hotter - we had a few 42 degree C (107.6 degrees F) days last summer. The high humidity makes it a bit uncomfortable out of doors in high Summer. Whilst the southern states get colder, I have seen snow for only 5 minutes in my life but I still call Winter here cold.

A little Trivia as people really have no idea just how big Australia is:
Australia is just over 80% of the size of the USA but there are only 8 states and Territories in Australia compared to your 51. Queensland is the second largest state in Australia with a land mass of 1,727m sq km . The largest state in the USA is Alaska with 1,481m sq km whereas your California is less than 1/4 of our size at 404,000 sq km. The whole United Kingdom would fit nearly 32 times into my state of Queensland.

That said the population of the USA is 288M, United Kingdom 59M, Australia only 19M. The total population of the greater city of London (worlds 20th largest city by population)is more than 1/3 of the population of the whole of Australia.

This is the place to be to get warm. Okay, so when are you coming to visit? I'll 'throw another shrimp on the Barbie' (BBQ) for you (you are probably too young to know that old Australian Tourism advertisment that was shown over there).

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  • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posted by zokissima on Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:18 AM
Digger and John, excellent builds!
I finally took some (very crappy) in-progress shots of my model. The quality is lousy, and they're blurry, but they give an good impression of the modifications made:





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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:55 AM
Not fair! you guys are going into Summer aren't you! Were just getting into winter where 32F is freezing! I'm so cold! Think of Afirka Korps, think of Afrika KorpsWink [;)]
John
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  • From: South Australia
Posted by South Aussie on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by rebelreenactor

Ok, here we go. This is the Vehicle I tried to Replicate.
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Well, let me know what you guys think!





Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] Great work Rebel.

Digger, like your Valentine also.

Petbat, what only 28c degrees where you are, we have aready reached 32c here, and its still climbing.
Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M1abramsRules

yeah, ammo boxes and rucksacks don't look good on the wing of an F-15........... Big Smile [:D]


Yeah but flak holes do........Evil [}:)]

Nice to see the Valentine Digger. That white wash paint job looks great. I know the Brits whitewashed Churchill's , but not sure of teh Valentines, but it looks great anyway. The mud and weathering looks very realistic. Congrats on another great build.

Rebel. Sorry about the exhaust, just the angle of the pics I suppose. As I said, just the one thing that looked a little funny. As to being cold outside....its a lovely 28 degrees celcius here; blue skies, birds singing.............Big Smile [:D]

Buff, looking very good indeed. Age doesn't really show on this kit when built properly. I always think the Churchill looked more agressive without the front fenders, something to consider. Keep up the good work.
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  • From: Montreal
Posted by buff on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:24 AM
Digger and John, those are both great builds. It's always nice to see things that are a little out of the ordinary.
Here are a couple of pics of my mostly assembled Churchill. The hull, deck and turret aren't glued on yet. I'll be painting them separately. I have test fitted the tracks, and they fit quite well. The antennas haven't been glued yet, which is why they're a little off. There are bits and pieces missing: coax, front fenders, muffler, some tools and stowage. They'll all be painted separately. I've made one major goof. I glued the turret hatch and cupola shut. I was planning on doing the kit figures sticking out of the hatches. I could try to cut them off, but I think cutting them off would leave very visible damage that I don't think I could fix. The kit comes with separate open hatches. I guess I'll just have the farmer figure that comes with the kit waving to the tank as it goes by.


On the bench: 1/32 Spit IXc

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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:19 PM
thank you! Now my turn, Very nice! the mud on the tracks and around road wheels looks really good. I also really like how some of the Undercoat is showing through, its very cool. But what is this winter camo! Latley it seems to be a lot of winter armor, but there is a problem with this, ITS COLD OUTSIDE!!!!! THe builds are making me even colder! I think I will have to build some Normandy and Afrika Korps stuff to keep me warm! lol!
John
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  • From: Ozarks of Arkansas
Posted by diggeraone on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:31 PM
Good work there John,I like it.I like the way you aged it and done the tracks.I think you got the markings just right and it should be a fine addition to your collection.Now as for me the Valentine XI is done so feast your eyes on this.It is done in a winter scheme due to I just had to do it.











Hope ya'll enjoy this pics.Digger


Put all your trust in the Lord,do not put confidence in man.PSALM 118:8 We are in the buisness to do the impossible..G.S.Patton
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:20 PM
yeah, ammo boxes and rucksacks don't look good on the wing of an F-15........... Big Smile [:D]
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:03 PM
I checked the tracks, and it was the lighting. As for the exaust pipe, yes i drilled it out. Its a bit hard to see, i'll get a better pic of it. I also drilled out the barrels on the mg's. For decal setting I have been using solvaset. It works good, but I think it would have been easier to paint anyways.
And the main reason I love armor.....well, you said it already, wheathering can always fix up your problems, as can stowageWink [;)]
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:48 PM
Must be the overhead light then. I could see that you had rusted them up in the other pics and made an assumption about the overhead shot.

Did you drill out the end of the exhaust pipe? About the only thing I can see that might improve the build. A fine addition to the stable. Thanks for posting it with the Panzer IV. I always thought the Whippet's were smaller than that, maybe because the whippet is a small greyhound, but the comparison gives a great indication of size.

Great job on the markings. Pity the kit ones were wrong. If you can get it, get some 'Mr Marksoftener' from Gunze Sanyo. It is in a green labelled bottle and has a brush in the cap. It is designed to help decals snug down over detail. Put a little where the decal is to go and put the decal on, then use a tissue to soak up the excess water. You have plenty of time to move the decal around if needs be. Then apply a little more Mr MS over the decal and leave it. It may crinkle the decal up, and you will think "Oh no, what have I done", but it will settle down again, so don't worry and don't touch it. Check out the numbers around the Centaur Turret on my pics on page 16, I used it on that and it settled them over the side hatch ports perfectly (except that I accidentaly touched it and the numbers tilted sideways and I forgot to go back and adjust it Dunce [D)]- but no one noticed. Heavy weathering has fixed it now Big Smile [:D]). I have used it to drag decals down over Zim, etc.
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:04 PM
thanks for the comments guys! Actually, i took all of the pics after i was finished, but now that you mention it, i might have to go investigate the top of my tracks to make sure!
BTW, I just pu the badge in my sig, is that ok?
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:58 AM
Excellent Rebel. Very nice indeed. The later pics must be an earlier pic 'cause the tracks are still shiny steel.

Great pics
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 22, 2004 7:08 PM
Great looking peice of work RebelThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]good call not using the decals, it looks good painted on...........

I havn't made much progress on the Matilda 11 lately, life has been getting in the way, what with building a new house and a job change i havn't had much time to break out the modelling gear but i'm remaining optimistic and hopefully i'll get it done in time.....
........Jules......
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, November 22, 2004 6:18 PM
Ok, here we go. This is the Vehicle I tried to Replicate.


Heres a pic of the identification markings. The directions called for it to be white-red-white.


the innacurate Box art


I also was nervus of the decals going over all of that detail. So I masked off the are areas and painted it MM sand.


heres the rest of my build








Well, let me know what you guys think!


John
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, November 22, 2004 5:54 PM
IF THE PICS ON THE NEXT PAGE TAKE FOR EVER TO LOAD, PLEASE POST A REPLY AND LET ME KNOW, THAT WAY I CAN GET RID OF SOME. I HAVE DSL SO IT WORKS FOR ME BUT I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU OTHERS, LET ME KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!
John
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, November 22, 2004 4:42 PM
Yes, I got the Camera, but my sister forgot the cordDunce [D)]. I just talked to her and she said shed bring it by later today, so I should be getting pics. I already took them, i just need to upload em.
John
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 22, 2004 3:24 PM
Okay, votes are in and badge #1 it is. The URL is:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/petbat/britgb1.jpg

For those who may not know how, to add it to your sig:
Go to the top of this page to the grey bar near the top and click on "UPDATE PROFILE"
Type in your user name and password at the prompt and click on "Submit"
Go to the box titled 'Signature" and type in (again do not type the space).
go to the bottom of the page and click on "Update my Profile"
the badge will then be added to all your posts.

The Centaur is now finished, but the figures are still getting the last few details. I've claimed the badge for the build, and will post pics when the figures are done. Looking forward to seeing more of your stuff.


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 21, 2004 3:59 AM
No prob Buff, anytime you need help just ask.

Balta, Just re-read my post and thought I better clarify things. I mean that I assemble the indy links in two runs per side (upper and lower) paint them and the wheels, then glue the two runs to the road wheels - not that I paint each indy link, then glue them together - that's a sure fir receipe for links falling apart..
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  • From: Montreal
Posted by buff on Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:43 PM
Thanks for the tip, Peter.

On the bench: 1/32 Spit IXc

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 19, 2004 6:57 PM
Thanks Chris, that makes it easier now one badge is a couple of votes ahead.
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  • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
Posted by lizardqing on Friday, November 19, 2004 6:53 PM
I can already agree on that alot Peter. So far I get about 10 minutes done with it and get irritated and toss it back in the box.

My vote goes for the #1 option.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 19, 2004 6:50 PM
Good luck with the rest of the build Chris. Reports to date suggest you will have your work cut out for you. Your preference for the badge? votes up to midnight this Sunday US time - badge #1 is ahead by one vote at present.

Buff: TTBOMK they were primed in red brown primer just like everything British was (tractors, trucks...err lorries....etc). Here is a pick from www. tanxheaven.com of the Cromwell turret race showing the primer where paint is not applied


Balta, I always paint then glue, even on indy tracks like DML's. It is hard to get the paint and weather between road wheels and under fenders otherwise. Makes for a neater finish too, although the dust weathering will blur the edges here.
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