AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

Tweets i missed your last post ( i was typeing my last post when it went up )
I know what your saying mate and i have to agree that the problems go way back but seeing airliners crash into buildings and seeing burnt Australians dragged out of what used to be a night club just plain angers me......
How do we fix this "i have no idea" Maybe one day when we find life out there in the stars we may come to realise that were all basically the same and we all live on a tiny little blue dot in the middle of space....Jules.....

Once we do get out there, we will certainly find a common cause for all the human beings on this planet. Reaching the stars and colonising them (first the solar system) must be a whole Earth thing. It will happen....eventually!

But this terrorism thing is worrying the hell out of me, as I want my kids to grow up in a world that has an even tolerance for everything. Islamic terrorism is about hatred and fanaticism. These hardliners will not tolerate any criticism of their version of the Islamic faith while still blaming the papacy and thus all christians for the crusades of 900 years ago.

You are right as well, though. Some governments are to blame for their foreign policy/arms dealing in the region. Oui Monseur? Because of their involvement, they vetoed any action by the UN.

Perhaps it is time that the UN stands as a truly independent body, with it's own military arm. Maybe then these sorts of things will cease to happen.

whew.....off my soapbox. Hope I have not offended anyone!

On a lighter note. I got my high vis RAAF Chinook decals today, so I think my Aussie GB entry for next year will be the 1:72 Matchbox Chinook .

cheers

Mike

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, a helo in the Aussie GB eh..............
Curious.
Actually, I'd like to see an Aussie helo that DOESN'T sporadically fall from the sky, or hunt down the closest hill to hit!

Jules......well spoken words, but I kinda hope that the cosmic entity that allowed life to begin here, will not let us leave this rock, only to do the same rubbish again on a whole new piece of blue dot.
I may be a tad negative I know, but we have a tendancy to repeat the past, hence WWI, then WWII, and now it appears to be WWIII, for this terrorism thing is totally global.

Ah well, maybe a little green man will visit us one day to give us a rap over the nuckles for being naughty little children, then send us to bed with no dessert.
That would be cool.
Highly unlikely, but cool all the same.

Enough banter I say.
Back to modelling, it appears I need to find a 1/48 scale Bf110, seeing as the 1/72 item I got from ebay is going to be hell to make.
May have to change to something 'easier', time will tell.

Little green men eh Tweets...........Not very likely, when you look into astronomy you come to realise that even a space vehicle travelling at light speed would take 10 years to get to the nearest star.........
BTW just an afterthought to date around 180 planets have been discovered orbiting around other stars in this galaxy and the list keeps growing, within the next 20 or so years 2 space telescopes will be launched to take a closer look, the trick is to find one the right temp.........
Well back to the BoB i think i might put the Sabre on hold for a while and make my 109 pre GB at the start of Jan so by the end of this GB my BoB collection will be 5 models strong, 2 109's a spit 1 a stuks and a dornier..........Jules.......

The speed of light is the fastest recognised thing that WE know of, I am sure there are other methods of travel, faster than light.

Unfortunately, us being humans, we can only utilise 10% of our brains, so maybe when we get a bit farther along in our evolution, we can come up with something.

Now, I have been searching for a Do17, in 1/48, and haven't been able to fiind anything.
A Ju88 might be worth a look, or a 1/48 110, but there are none of the correct type.

Maybe a Spit MkI, or............I just don't know

I think I'd like to get in on this GB. It's about time I built a spitfire or a BF-109. Don't know exactly what I'll build but I'll tell you when I know. I've got plenty of time to get to the LHS though. Looking forward to this one. When can I start using the badge? I like the look of it.

QUOTE: Originally posted by pingtang I think I'd like to get in on this GB. It's about time I built a spitfire or a BF-109. Don't know exactly what I'll build but I'll tell you when I know. I've got plenty of time to get to the LHS though. Looking forward to this one. When can I start using the badge? I like the look of it.

Hi Daniel,

Mate, you’re in.....

You can start using the badge any time you want. Most people are using it already as a bit of advertising for the GB.

I've set this GB up so that it doesn't start till Feb 05 due to the fact that most people already have a GB (or three) that they are finishing up before the end of the year and I figured that a lot of people are not going to be able to do much serious modeling over the holiday period. But saying that a couple of people have warm up builds going (me included), to get us in the mood for the real deal.

Cheers
Darren

Actually, the theory is now that space is crumpled and that we can go the shortest path. To illustrate take a flat sheet of paper and put a dot in two oppposing corners. Then crumple the paper. The dots are are now closer.

Apparently scientists have worked out that when the big bang occured the universe expanded in 4 dimensions and not the others. Too heavy for this little black duck but that is the guist of it!

I have also read that we have the theory, know how to get a drive up and running but simply do not have the power source available yet to get us there. I do not think we will ever go at light speed ever, but we will go around it by utilising the theory mentioned above. Apparently Einstein hinted about it in his theory of relativity but never went into to much detail.!

On a lighter note again, it is about time my shelf had a Spitfire in it, so I am going to leave my Tamiya Mk1 in the stash and dust of the Monogram 1:48 kit along with a fresh tube of putty.

cheers

Mike

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 Now, I have been searching for a Do17, in 1/48, and haven't been able to fiind anything.

Tweety, HobbyCraft makes the only 1/48 Do17 I know of... I saw it on greatmodels.com so maybe you can get it somewhere more local...

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900 QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 Now, I have been searching for a Do17, in 1/48, and haven't been able to fiind anything. Tweety, HobbyCraft makes the only 1/48 Do17 I know of... I saw it on greatmodels.com so maybe you can get it somewhere more local...

i would avoid the hobbycraft do-17....i've built it and it isn't pretty! the fusalage has a huge banana-like bend in it, the cockpit canopy is way too large and there is no internal detail.

this is the only do-17 kit that i know of.

alternatively, you go for the do-217 kit out there and retro-fit it...tough work!!

speak to swanny...he's done both kits i believe.

as for my defiant, my girlfriend is getting it for me for christmas!

kind regards,

Nichols

Ta tho, but I had a look for that kit, and if I'm not mistaken it is OOP.

Back to square one.

For this build I wanted to be a bit different, and try not to stack the build with too many 109's and Spits, but seeing as some kits are hard to find, from my location anyways, I may have to stay with the more available items.

Not only availability, but I also wantd to stay away from a mongrel build, got enough of those under my belt, so kinda want something easier, maybe the 88 or 87.
Cant do the 111, the Ol' man would skin me alive if I make one before him


Then again, a few 109's on a dio might be the go.

Avoid the Hobbycraft Do17 unless you enjoy banging your head against the wall. It's a horrible kit. It's also the only Do17 in 1/48, a shame but true. Monogram made a very basic but accurate Do17 in 1/72 eons ago. I see it on eBay every once in a while.

Good news is Classic Airframes has released all new tooling of the Defiant in 1/48. Two versions, both day & night fighters are available. Might be worth looking at.

Regards, Rick

QUOTE: [i] But saying that a couple of people have warm up builds going (me included), to get us in the mood for the real deal. Cheers Darren

Include me in that. i have that BF-110 that i picked up at the flea market a few weeks back on the go. Once i'm done this i'll be moving on to a FW-190 that i should be getting in the mail somtime later this week. it's in the package with my GB projects ( the 110 & 109)

By the way Everyone that is Building a 109 could you post what Squadron you'll be doing so i don't end up building the same one. they might be painted the same but at least we can have different markings. Thanks to my location it take awhile to get things shipped here so i need to order well in advance. mine is a Tamiya kit so i don't have a clue what markings are hsowing up in the box
Later eh'
Cliff

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 Ta tho, but I had a look for that kit, and if I'm not mistaken it is OOP.

I found it one place but sounds to me you might want to stay away from it...

the only 1/72 kit was from a company called SK I have never built anything from them... the kit DID have tons of AM stuff... cockpit, propellers, engines, wheels etc...

There were 2 italian bomb groups and a fighter group that participated (if you wanna call it that) that would be something different, I'll look up the link I have and send it to you.,.. the site even had some interesting details... the sight of late WWI biplane bombers coming in over the channel painted bright "festive" colors... the RAF didn't know what to do... they also used monoplane fighters and bombers as well... will look it up and post it in a sec for anyone else who might be interested...

myself, I am in a quandry... I guess I will spit out the cash for that Classic Airframes kit (the Defiant) that's why I decided on something different from the start, figured everyone would be doing 109's and Spitfires... I need to go back and see who is building what... Might be a light load on one of the common aircraft. I might even go and see what it would take to retrofit my Spit Mk V to a II or so... I got a 1/24 Hobbycraft Spit and the kit looks decent.. and at 1/24 there's plenty of styrene to sand to my hearts delight...so I dont worry about fit much...

here ya go...

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco_bob.htm

I even thought about it a little while... might still do it as that Classic Airframe kit is a bit steep yet here... in addtition to my recent additions to my stash that is...

I've been doing a little research for the GB and have come up with a couple of links to walkarounds of various aircraft.

Boulton Paul Defiant
http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1997/08/stuff_eng_detail_defiant.htm

Spitfire Mk.I
http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1997/11/stuff_eng_detail_spitfire1.htm

Messerschmitt Bf 109 E
http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1997/07/stuff_eng_detail_bf109e.htm

Darren

Excellent research pics Darren, saved some running around.
Strange the 109's c/p colour seems alot lighter than most c/p pics I've seen.

Might have a gander at that Defiant, would b nice to do a new tooling.

Well, cant seem to find a release date for the Defiant, and probably would be after the BoB deadline knowing my luck.

Back to the drawing board

The Classic Airframes 1/48 Defiant is available now, at least here in the USA. The LHS has both versions in stock. I may pick up the night fighter version, it looks good in the box.

Regards, Rick

Hey everyone, there is a 1/72 Linberg Do 17 on ebay right now. Anyone know anything about it, how bad is it? There is a frog kit available elsewhere too. I've noticed there is lots of AM stuff for the Do 17 including vac canopies and Eduard sets. Are either of these kits worth it?

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 Well, cant seem to find a release date for the Defiant, and probably would be after the BoB deadline knowing my luck. Back to the drawing board

Sean,
The CA Defiant is available from Greatmodels for $37.45 + $13.11 shipping (AUD$66.70) if you're interested.
I picked up my CA Meteor from Greatmodels and saved about $20 (and three months) on the LHS price.

Cheers
Darren

not sure about the Linbergh kit... you can count on it being an older kit, possibly raised panel lines. There are a few 1/72 kits out on the market right now: SK is the only one I find on Greatmodels.com, not sure about that kit either...

there is a monogram kit from the 70's or 80's on there too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=70107&item=5931949077&rd=1

and a review on the Frog kit, pardon the english but it is a translated page through google:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://ipms-france.ifrance.com/ipms-france/reviews/do-17z.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddornier%2Bdo17%2Bkit%2Breview%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff


From the conclusion I roughly see that they liked the hobbycraft 1/48 kit better just from the amount of detail it had... but that all the kits were not proportionally to scale or not shaped right... (I speak Spanish, not French so that is only an educated guess, maybe someone who speaks French can check that last part out)

Thanks for the info Darren, I think I'll have to get that one.
I found a He 115 on eBay, but no instructions, and from all the searches I've done it is a pig of a build, with almost no internal detail, kinda shameful, considering how big the greenhouse is on that thing.

Ok, I'm ALMOST certain the Defiant is the way to go.
Will have to find alot of research pics first, but I reckon I'll order it next week.

First I will have to do ALOT of house work, to appease the boss, , then I'll tell her the price!!!


If you guys don't hear from me in a week, it's cause the missus placed the laptop in an uncomfortable portion of my anatomy.

Thanks tho9900 for your input, That monogram kit would be nice but shipping across the pond would likely cost twice what the model itself cost.

I was having a momentary lapse of weakness as usually happens whenever I wander into a LHS or scan ebay. To make sure it doesn't happen again I ordered my He 111 last night. Hopefully someone will redo the Do 17 in the near future but for now it sounds like its more work than its worth.

Dave

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 First I will have to do ALOT of house work, to appease the boss, , then I'll tell her the price!!! If you guys don't hear from me in a week, it's cause the missus placed the laptop in an uncomfortable portion of my anatomy.

That's alright i think my wife is going to ground me cause the order just showed up at the house. she's not to happy with $80 worth of models.

After going through my decal stash, I think a slight change of plans is in order. Only markings I can find for a Bf109E-1 are for the pre BOB Blitzkrieg. So I will change my kit selection to the 1/48 Tamiya Bf109E-4. I plan to do Ofw. Rudolf Rothenfelder's aircraft from 9./JG.2 " Richthoven ", Yellow 7, September, 1940.

BTW , picked up the new tool Classic Airframes 1/48 Defiant Mk.II night fighter kit at the LHS this morning. At $50.00 list, it isn't cheap, but it does look very good in the box. The innaccurate fuselage from their older release has definitely been corrected. Whether the fit problems associated with the old release have also been corrected is TBD.

Regards, Rick

cool, good to hear that Rick, I might pick that one up later for a "just for fun" build. It would definitely be something different to add to my collection.... let me know how it builds when you sink your teeth into it....

I noticed even squadron and great models only had it as low as $44.. of course then you add shipping.. I might stop by the LHS this weekend (the new one) and pretend I haven't been there before and see if they give me the 10% discount for saying I saw them in FSM. I've only been there twice so it might work hahaha...

I decided finally what to build. I am build an F4F (Martlet) ... figured you can't more different than that.. even though I have built them in US livery it will be fun to put the UK flair to it... an eyecatcher on my shelf.. ("Hey wait!!! ISn't that an F4F! That's an AMERICAN plane!)

Also I found out 2 squadrons of the RNZAF used the SBD-1 and 2... doubt it was in the BOB but might do one of those in UK garb for fun later too... put it next to the one I built in memory of my uncle... (tail gunner on a SBD-3 in WWII)

Beleive it or not I found the cure for my modeling blues... it wasn't going for a quick fun kit... it was getting into a box of an AM kit... lots of parts, 3/4 of them belonging to the cockpit.. I've had 3 hours at the desk tonight just prepping the cockpit and painting...

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 First I will have to do ALOT of house work, to appease the boss, , then I'll tell her the price!!!.

I've found cooking for the wife works too... it has to be something out of the ordinary... I have a good list of Cajun and South American recipes if you are interested oh.... bad part is you have to do dishes at the end of the meal too... but hey, for the kit you want is it worth it? it got ME an airbrush... actually a SECOND airbrush...!

QUOTE: Originally posted by razordws Hopefully someone will redo the Do 17 in the near future but for now it sounds like its more work than its worth. Dave

I agree... it's actually an disgustingly ugly/incredibly beautiful aircraft... and it played such an important role... I saw a print on ebay I am thinking about getting... from an actual WWII photo of a Do17 gruppe...