AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

QUOTE: [i] Tankmaster... there's a lot of oddball planes left unclaimed if ya want something different... we'd gladly let ya know what is open or what planes flew then if ya want..

I'd like that list aswell if it's alright. The model shop screwed up my order so i now have a JU52 JU86 and a BF110.
DARSON: don't update me yet since the way things are going on my end god knows what i'll have for the build, i'll keep you posted

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 11th hour, 11th Day, 11th Month, We Will Remember Them, Lest We Forget............................ Tweety ...Jules...

They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

Lest we forget

I lost my Great Great Uncle in WWI. He was killed in 1915 at Gallipoli at the age of 16 serving with the 10th Light Horse.

ANZAC day and Rememberance day have a special meaning for me!

Mike

QUOTE: Originally posted by Cruzr I'd like that list aswell if it's alright. The model shop screwed up my order so i now have a JU52 JU86 and a BF110. DARSON: don't update me yet since the way things are going on my end god knows what i'll have for the build, i'll keep you posted

No problems Cruzr, I'll put a list together of what can and is being built and what is still available. There are plenty of knowledgeable people on the build who can help out and add to the list to make it complete. Also, even though most people have already done this, could you post a short note on what squadron/aircraft you are building? Once the list is completed I will post it back to page 1 of the build and keep it updated.

Cheers
Darren

Well here's a list of BOB aircraft that i have. the only problem is that i don't know what some versions were flying at that time(mk.I/II or E-3/4/5 etc.) so i left those off the list. So if there someone who knows those details, or if i missed any please add.

Spitfire
Gloster Gladiator
Bristol Beaufighter
Hurricane
F4F Martlet
Boulton Paul Defiant
Bristol Blenheim
Bf 109
Ju 87 Stuka
JU88
Arado AR196
HE115
HE113
FW200
Do215
Do17
HE59
Do18
BF110
HE111

Darson iv'e had no luck in finding a Do17 in 1/48 and i don't yet have the skills to turn the Revell Do217 into a Do17 so my builds will be the same as before a 109E3 flown by Werner Molders and a Stuka from StG 77.......This time it's final no more changes. Lol........
Tanks mate...Jules.......

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison This time it's final no more changes. Lol........ Tanks mate...Jules.......

::scratching head:: didn't you say that last time?

Those are always my last words when it comes to my build... ok this is it... I found my build... I'm making good progress on my USN Aviation build so should be in the clear for a Jan start... even might have time to get my dads two models out of the way....

Yeah Tom i did but this time it's definatly final unless..........................................nah it's final

BTW Tom you know that your'e expected to join the 2005 Aussie GB aswell, i think an Aussie bird would look good in your collection

Here is my list (to the best of my knowledge anyway) of the aircraft and the versions of them that operated in the Battle of Britain and who is building what. There are still plenty of more unusual aircraft waiting to be built if anybody is looking for a challenge.
As far as I can tell the F4F Martlet did not actually see combat during the battle, but 804 squadron FAA were equipped with them late in the battle so it's allowable.

If there are any changes or mods you would like made to this just let me know.

Cheers
Darren

RAF Fighter Command
Hawker Hurricane Mk.I, II - darson, rjkplasticmod, KJ200, nicodemus, Lucien Harpress, Aurora-7, lodni_k
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.Ia, Ib, II, IIa - darson, madmike, lodni_k
Bristol Beaufighter Mk.I
Fairey Fulmar Mk.I
Westland Lysander
Bristol Blenheim Mk.I
Boulton Paul Defiant Mk.I, II tweety1, nmayhew
F4F Martlet Mk.I - tho9900
Gloster Gladiator Mk.II

Luftwaffe
Heinkel He 111 H, H-2, 3, 4, P-2 - razordws
Heinkel He 59 C-2, D-1
Heinkel 115
Dornier Do 17 P, M, U, Z-1, 2, 3
Dornier Do 215 B
Dornier Do 18 D, G
Dornier Do 24
Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-1, 3, 4, 7, F-1 - j.s.harrison, rjkplasticmod, Cruzr, tweety1, jcsloureiro, lodni_k
Messerschmitt Bf 110 C-2, 4, 5, 6, D-0 - Cruzr
Junkers Ju 87 B, 1, 2, R - j.s.harrison, lodni_k
Junkers Ju 88 A-1, 5, C-5
Focke Wulf Fw 200 C
Arado Ar 96

Regia Aeronautica
Fiat Br20 M
Fiat Cr.42
Fiat G.50
Cant Z1007.BIS

Darson, do ME 109Ds count? As these were stationed in Norway during the BoB, even if they didn't have the range to engage the RAF.

Just thought I would ask, I keep looking at that Hobbycraft 109D you see and the AM decals to go with it. Any excuse to buy another kit!!

Karl

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 Darson, do ME 109Ds count? As these were stationed in Norway during the BoB, even if they didn't have the range to engage the RAF. Just thought I would ask, I keep looking at that Hobbycraft 109D you see and the AM decals to go with it. Any excuse to buy another kit!! Karl

Karl,

I have looked but I cannot find any reference to active Luftwaffe squadrons using the 109D while participating in the BoB, so I'm afraid they don't count.

I know what you mean about that Hobbycraft kit though, I am on a bit of an early 109 kick at the moment and would love to do the 109D in Condor Legion markings.

Cheers
Darren

In order to keep this thread alive until we start building I thought I might post a little update on where my warmup build is at.

The cockpit is done and assembled and has turned out pretty good. I've built it OOB except for the addition of the Ultracast seat with harness. The only other item I added was an oxygen hose made out of two different grades of fuse wire. It was easy to do and looks good, so I'll be using that technique again.

I was going to use the decal for the IP but once I applied it, I knew it wasn't going to look any good so off it came and the IP was dry bushed as usual.

If anybody else is doing a BoB warmup, post your progress and maybe some photos.

Also, for all those doing Bf 109 E’s here are a couple of superb cockpit shots I found during my reference hunting.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/images/cockpit1091.jpg
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/images/cockpit1092.jpg

Cheers
Darren

Nice CP pics Darren
Once again it shows how different these aircrafts are from one to the next.

The main colouring on the sidewalls is different to a few other pics I have.
When I find em, I'll post em up.

Darren, thanks for that. I've got a bit of a late 30's fighter thing goping on at the moment, hence my I-16 and PZL P24G, and the 109 would fit that theme beautifully.

Think I'll just have to put that Hobbycraft 109 on my wish list.

I had a look at my Hasegawa Hurricane night fighter last night, looks like I'll be replacing the cockpit hood, wheels, decals & adding belts at the very least, and adding the wheel bay insert, as I'm not sure I can face cleaning up those ejector pin marks! Why couldn't they put those on the other side, you know the bit no one can see?

Karl

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison Yeah Tom i did but this time it's definatly final unless..........................................nah it's final BTW Tom you know that your'e expected to join the 2005 Aussie GB aswell, i think an Aussie bird would look good in your collection

actually I was thinking about asking to join! I've seen a few a/c and a little history around them so I'll jump in... when I find my build I'll post on that BG thread if it's already going...

I haven't got a "warm up" build per se... working on my Naval Aviation a/c, almost to the point where the build picks up speed... got the coclpit 80% done just have to splap the fuselage together and paint!

I'm on the Ol' Guns GB G14 ATM.
Not really a warm up, seeing as I went absolutely spastic with the PE
Couldn't help meself, just sitting there, on Squadrons web page, screaming for me to take advantage of the high Aussie dunny roll (Aus dollar)

But, after that, my warm up build will probably be a resin Fokker G1a.



Looks kinda simple, but I have a feeling that the vacform canopy is gonna be a bit of a mongrel.
Fortunately the resin parts don't look to pitted or warped, but the wings are gonna need ALOT of hollowing out so the wheel struts have at least half a chance of supporting the model.
This thing weighs a bit.
Might pop a pic into the A/C thread, see if anyone else has built this before.
That canopy really has me nervous.
Should be fun.

Ha, would you beleive it, a Dornier Do18 G just showed up on ebay.
Now there's an odd build for ya.

Luck 'o' the Irish I says.

(end ramble)

well my warm up was another BF-110. 1/72 OOB almost complete just letting the paint cure for a few days before I add the future coat then wash. i don't have a digi cam right now so i can't post any pics but as soon as i do i'll post them. the fun part was masking the canopy which took me the better part of an hour. the only real problem i had was when i mixed the colors. The darker of the two greens was to thick when i painted the tail that it left brush strokes( i don't have an airbrush yet), so i had to fix that before i could move on. i ended up using a lighter green.

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 I had a look at my Hasegawa Hurricane night fighter last night, looks like I'll be replacing the cockpit hood, wheels, decals & adding belts at the very least, and adding the wheel bay insert, as I'm not sure I can face cleaning up those ejector pin marks! Why couldn't they put those on the other side, you know the bit no one can see? Karl

The ejector pin marks in the wheel bay insert are the most annoying aspect of this kit. Ultracst to the rescue, as they offer an excellent resin replacement.

Regards, Rick

QUOTE: Originally posted by rjkplasticmod QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200 I had a look at my Hasegawa Hurricane night fighter last night, looks like I'll be replacing the cockpit hood, wheels, decals & adding belts at the very least, and adding the wheel bay insert, as I'm not sure I can face cleaning up those ejector pin marks! Why couldn't they put those on the other side, you know the bit no one can see? Karl The ejector pin marks in the wheel bay insert are the most annoying aspect of this kit. Ultracst to the rescue, as they offer an excellent resin replacement. Regards, Rick

Couldn't agree with you more Rick and for $5 you really can't go wrong.
http://www.ultracast.ca/products/48/079/default.htm

Karl, you can order directly from the Ultracast site if you wish. I have dealt with them before & they have always provided A1 service.

Cheers
Darren

Darren, Rick, thanks for that.

I tried looking for Ultracast in the UK, no joy, so it looks like a direct order is required.

Are they a Canadian or a US? Either way, how long did it take to get parts to Melbourne Darren?

That seat looks like it might end up on my shopping list as well.

Thanks

Karl

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1 I'm on the Ol' Guns GB G14 ATM. Not really a warm up, seeing as I went absolutely spastic with the PE Couldn't help meself, just sitting there, on Squadrons web page, screaming for me to take advantage of the high Aussie dunny roll (Aus dollar) But, after that, my warm up build will probably be a resin Fokker G1a. Looks kinda simple, but I have a feeling that the vacform canopy is gonna be a bit of a mongrel. Fortunately the resin parts don't look to pitted or warped, but the wings are gonna need ALOT of hollowing out so the wheel struts have at least half a chance of supporting the model. This thing weighs a bit. Might pop a pic into the A/C thread, see if anyone else has built this before. That canopy really has me nervous. Should be fun.

More resin eh Tweetswhy do you keep on punishing yourself?????????

Here's a pic of whats going in the Stuka B2............
The 109 is gonna be OOB with the exception of PE seat belts......Jules....

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900 QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison Yeah Tom i did but this time it's definatly final unless..........................................nah it's final BTW Tom you know that your'e expected to join the 2005 Aussie GB aswell, i think an Aussie bird would look good in your collection actually I was thinking about asking to join! I've seen a few a/c and a little history around them so I'll jump in... when I find my build I'll post on that BG thread if it's already going...

Top Stuff Tom, I think we will be using the 2004 GB thread for 2005 also, just need to change a few things around for 2005
BTW were a fairly laid back bunch so we give ourselves 6 or 7 months to finish.....
If you need any advice on Aussie machines just ask anyone of us, we have a wealth of referance material available........Jules.....

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison [ Top Stuff Tom, I think we will be using the 2004 GB thread for 2005 also, just need to change a few things around for 2005 BTW were a fairly laid back bunch so we give ourselves 6 or 7 months to finish..... If you need any advice on Aussie machines just ask anyone of us, we have a wealth of referance material available........Jules.....

Great! when's it start again? I might actually pick that Halifax I read about when I was looking for a BoB build...

I'm interested in doing a Canadian Hurricane for my build. Can anyone point in the direction where I could go for markings for Canadian squadrons durring BoB? I mean as in a website for research or if anyone knows if someone makes Canadian markings for BoB Hurricanes.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7 I'm interested in doing a Canadian Hurricane for my build. Can anyone point in the direction where I could go for markings for Canadian squadrons durring BoB? I mean as in a website for research or if anyone knows if someone makes Canadian markings for BoB Hurricanes.

G'day Aurora-7,

Fighter pilots of many other nations flew with the British during the BoB, including some 80 Canadians. Of these, 26 were in the RCAF's No. 1 Squadron, which arrived soon after Dunkirk; 16 flew as a team in the RAF's 242 "Canadian" Squadron; the rest were scattered among a dozen other RAF squadrons. These last included men such as PO. Johnnie Bryson, an ex-Mountie; Flt. Lt. Johnnie Kent of Winnipeg, who flew with the Poles in 303 Squadron; and FO. W. H. Nelson, who served in 74 Squadron with the South African ace Adolph "Sailor" Malan. Another 200 Canadian airmen fought in RAF Bomber and Coastal commands, which throughout the battle pounded at German invasion ports and other targets; 27 of them gave their lives.

Here is a link to some information on 1 Sqd RCAF.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/401to601.html

edit ----
I have a great reference book on the BoB at home (I'm at work at the moment ) and can give you the squadron codes for these tonight.
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As far as decals go you should be able to re-create the squadron codes by using generic letter and number decals available from most of the leading manufacturers

Cheers
Darren

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison Here's a pic of whats going in the Stuka B2............ The 109 is gonna be OOB with the exception of PE seat belts......Jules....

Jules,
One look at sheet of PE like that sends shivers down my spine, I don't mind a bit of resin with a couple of pieces of PE, but those big frets give me the willies.

Cheers
Darren

QUOTE: Originally posted by darson G'day Aurora-7, Fighter pilots of many other nations flew with the British during the BoB, including some 80 Canadians. Of these, 26 were in the RCAF's No. 1 Squadron, which arrived soon after Dunkirk; 16 flew as a team in the RAF's 242 "Canadian" Squadron; the rest were scattered among a dozen other RAF squadrons. These last included men such as PO. Johnnie Bryson, an ex-Mountie; Flt. Lt. Johnnie Kent of Winnipeg, who flew with the Poles in 303 Squadron; and FO. W. H. Nelson, who served in 74 Squadron with the South African ace Adolph "Sailor" Malan. Another 200 Canadian airmen fought in RAF Bomber and Coastal commands, which throughout the battle pounded at German invasion ports and other targets; 27 of them gave their lives. Here is a link to some information on 1 Sqd RCAF. http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/401to601.html edit ---- I have a great reference book on the BoB at home (I'm at work at the moment ) and can give you the squadron codes for these tonight. ---- As far as decals go you should be able to re-create the squadron codes by using generic letter and number decals available from most of the leading manufacturers Cheers Darren

Thanks, much, Darren!

Jules, that much PE in the Stuka is going to look truely impressive.
As for the resin thing, I have no idea why I do it to myself

Darren, you truely are a walking knowledge bank!

Regarding the Defiant, wonder how long it will take for some A/M bits to become available for it?
Actually, are there ANY A/M bits for a Defiant in 1/48???
Maybe could modify them to suit, but mostly I'd like to replace the turret guns with metal or decent resin bits.

DARSON: Alright put me down for a BF-109E (no idea what kit but will be 1/48) and a Hurricane (1/48 RAF 1 Can). I haven't bought the kits yet but those will be what i'll be getting.