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Posted by jboutin on Monday, August 15, 2005 2:43 PM
Mucker - Sign - Ditto [#ditto]
I also used the MM interior green not zinc chromate. It looked close enough for my CP. I also have the aotake for the wheel wells.
ygmodeler4 - what kit is that? very good detail if it's OOB but it is missing the holes in the seat.
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Posted by mucker on Monday, August 15, 2005 3:17 PM
mikeym and jboutin:

I guess where I am confused is the Interior Green and XF-71 (I have both) are nowhere close to each other...is one more accurate than the other?

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, August 15, 2005 3:19 PM
Thanks guys.
Jboutin its the Hasegawa 1/48.
It had the wholes but IT didnt go all the way through. And yes it is OOB

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Posted by jboutin on Monday, August 15, 2005 3:55 PM
Mucker, you are right, they are very different! Thats because the MM is more of a zinc chromate look.
I should apologise, I used MM RAF interior green (it is very close to XF-71, maybe a little darker I think). For my self, I'm not a real sticker for 'the absolute accurate colour'. I found the MM RAF interior green looked close enough to some of the pics so I decided to use it. Besides, the LHS I mainly go to doesn't have Tamiya paints so for me it was a compromise (didn't feel like driving all over the city). You have the Tamiya colour, so I would use it.
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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, August 15, 2005 4:32 PM
Hey you used MM RAF interior green too. Me too. IIt does look almost exactly like it.

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Monday, August 15, 2005 6:33 PM
well Scott here are the pics I promised






and here are my pics of my Vals


On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, August 15, 2005 6:46 PM
Joe - looking good!

YG - same to ya! thanks and your cockpit is looking nice and dandy!!!

Darren - thanks... I'm getting to like putting together these radial engines... I did one for the zero that actually looked better till I looked with my magnifier and realized the brown color call out was actually pointing at the cylinders... Disapprove [V] so I had to cover it all...

Re: Interior color

I also used the RAF Interior green on my Zero for the Battle of Midway GB... I was more than satisfied it was close enough to pull off. I found a site with a supposedly very accurate restoration of a Zero going on over in Japan and it was almost a dead ringer!!!
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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, August 15, 2005 7:57 PM
folks remember this with the interior color. every mfg has its own shade. you just need to find one that satisfies you. i chose the tamiya interior green as it seems pretty close. however if you add white to the zinc chromate or the us interior green you will get a color that is close also. now for the seats. my seats look a bit off because they are a bit off. i had to use putty to get the blasted things to even resemble a seat rather than a sink hole. they dont sand well. so now i have seats that look awefully rough around the edges. many thanks to all for the kind words. now to do some scans i promised.


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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, August 15, 2005 8:15 PM
ok here a little of my progress:

got the cockpit painted and washed... some obvious ejector marks but they won't be able to be seen once the fuselage is closed so I didn't fuss with them too much. One rudder pedal is a bit warped so I need to correct that...



Almost done with the IP, there was little detail and I scraped a bit hard on one or two dials when detailing it. (I painted the undercolor white, the overcoat of black and scraped off the black on the dials) Going to try to use a 10/0 brush and narrow 2 of the dials down...



I also drilled out the machine gun bores and quickly realized that even by placing an object right next to them at the same distance thw camera would not begin to bring them in focus. You'll have to wait till the finished model for the entire result on those..

My next dillima is the rigging needs to be threaded BEFORE I close the wing halves together... but I don't want to paint over them.. in addition although it looks like no sanding or filling may be necessary after gluing them, I think painting them Alclad 2 is going to be problematic at the least without painting them beforehand (and sparing the rigging from getting sprayed.)

My thought is to cut a long length of rigging, paint on one of it after closing the wing halves and sanding, then draw it through so the rigging I am using isn't the part I painted.

The other thought is painting the wing centers where the rigging comes out of before hand. Join the wing halves and sand, then paint AROUND the part already painted so I don't hit the rigging...

I dunno.. I am going to have to think about this before I proceed... I may scan up the instructions so you all see what I am talking about...
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, August 15, 2005 8:20 PM
ok here are the instructions... notice the thread that goes through both upper and lower wing halves... trying to figure out how not to paint it... any ideas? or which of mine sounds better?

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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, August 15, 2005 8:23 PM
tom great progress. i think the idea of drawing it through after you paint is a good one and i am going to try it on my next build.

jay got something for you.

now the first seat is from this book.



it is of a type 21 i believe so it will be good for you. problem is the pic is not all that good.



now the second book covers all the variants. it is aero detail 7 mitsubishi a6m zero fighter. these are from an a6m5 but the seat should be the same.




and a second from a different bird



hope these help some.


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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Monday, August 15, 2005 8:33 PM
Man thats a great cockpit.

As for me I have more progress pics.
Here is the Engine. Not as good as Tom's though.


Here are the Fuselage Halves together.


Meanwhile I have put TYhe engine on and have assembled the wings later Im going to put the wings on the plane and tomorrow Im going to Kings Dominion For the whole day so ill post more pics after my Dad and I model on Wednesday. So here ya go.

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, August 15, 2005 8:42 PM
YG - nonsense!!! that engine looks great! If you do want to do some of the highlighting etc it's MM Buffing Metalizer that is the trick, not any special skill I have... Which kit is that? The pilots head rest is actually more accurate than the Zero I am doing for the Battle of Midway build... And enjoy Kings Dominion!!! It's been AGES since I was there... I was stationed in MD during the 80's and early 90's and used to go there about once a year. I love that all wood roller coaster "The Grizzly" I think it was called!!!

Joe - thanks for the kind words and I will think about this as it is perplexing.. especially since a spool of that invisible thread is $9 a pop!!! Wink [;)] I probably will go with that idea, the threading it with a LONG piece of thread before I join them...... trouble is it HAS to be threaded before the wings are glued as the holes don't line up... the ones above are more forward than the lower holes... (or the lower holes are more aft haha.. dont know...)
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Posted by carsanab on Monday, August 15, 2005 9:23 PM
I better get going...ive been out of touch...

i will start on my kits this week and am also finishing my Kate...

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Posted by mucker on Monday, August 15, 2005 9:25 PM
jboutin:
Doh! NOW you tell me! Smile [:)]
The good news is now I know...the bad news is I have to spray XF-71 over my US Interior Green. I guess the double good news is that if I ever get around to my Hawker Hurricane I can use the XF-71 instead of buying RAF Interior Green.
Phew..at least this puts the issue to rest for me. Thanks to all of you for your input

Joe:

If you need help with the translation of your book (which I am jealous of), feel free to scan a page or two over to me. I can help you with the captions for those pictures.



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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, August 15, 2005 10:03 PM
yg that looks great. going to be a sweet build.

chuck both of these books were given to me by a fellow modeler along with several japanese a/c models. i have been very lucky in that and i share the best i can. the first book is all in japanese which i cant read but the pics are absolutely fantastic. to repay my friend for these things i share the information in them as best i can.

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Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:32 AM
Thanks Joe, the last photo looks the best so I'm going to use it for the seat set up. Thanks again!!
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Posted by darson on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:51 AM
I've got a question about my Kate and I need a bit of help from the group. What color was the IP on the Pearl Harbor Kates? The Hasegawa instructions call for black but I'm not sure if this true after seeing some different pics, including Joe's zero reference shots. Any help would be appreciated.

Tom good luck on your rigging (shudder) I've never done any myself so I can't offer any suggestions I'm afraid. Oh and your cockpit looks first class as usual btw.

Cheers
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:41 AM
didn't the instructions also say you could put a IP decal down as a option.

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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:58 AM
Here you go Darren

http://www.marksindex.com/japaneseaviation/kate/b5n_cockpit.jpg

And I'll need all the luck I can get on this... I keep misplacing pieces as I go along!!! Banged Head [banghead]

I always find them exaclty where I thought they were (only after looking 3 times before though) so it's frustrating me.. I might take a break till the weekend as this has been a rough week...
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Posted by mucker on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:44 PM
Have any of you seen AM resin cockpits for the Tamiya A6M2? I have seen several for the Hasegawa kit, and I am not sure of they would work after the obvious filing of the details from the fuselage interior piece of the Tamiya kit.
I am trying to spruce this build up a little.

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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:43 PM
Mucker - sorry there doesn't appear to be much out there for the A6M2 might less the Tamiya kit... they do make a PE set for it that would set it up nicely!!!

Progress tonight as I didn't come home from work late or tired. I got the holes in the wing for the rigging filled (I am just going to CA it to the fuselage instead of threading it) Wings halves are joined, cockpit walls painted and futured waiting on a wash tomorrow. I dry brushed some chrome on the engine and it really brought out some more highlights on it. Wheels are primed with Krylon black so I can Alclad the center hubs tomorrow then paint the tires. Once that is done I can joint the to the wings.

At that point I will take pics of all the sub assemblies before joining it all together. Once that is done it is time for coating the entire body in Krylon and later Alclad... then it is on the the fiddly bits! I forecast this weekend or mid next week for the model to be finished...

I've really had fun with this one even though it was so simple of a build. Maybe because I like the real plane so much. I might even get the new release Hasegawa P-26 later, if it isn't just a simple rebox of this older kit... Anyone heard anything about it??
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Posted by darson on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:40 PM
Thanks Tom that pic of the Kate is perfect Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
Sorry I couldn't find anything much at all on the Hase P-26, so I have no idea what the kit is like.

Mucker I did a bit of a search and came up blank on AM sets for the TAM A6M2.

Cheers
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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:33 AM
Hi Mike,
Nice pics of your Arizona. I agree, 1/350 ships should have ladders and rails. I have the WEM and Tom's PE sets. Which did you use? I like how your crane and catapaults came out.

I just started the superstructure last night. This kit is building faster than I expected.

Regards,
Scott

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Posted by mucker on Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:55 AM
tho0990, darren: I couldn't find any resin either. I will go after the PE kit. I appreciate the input.

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:55 AM
I used Toms Model Works ladders and Gold Medal Models Arizona Detail set

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:32 PM
ok a little more done here... I got a light wash on the interior and have just glued the cockpit and IP in place and am waiting on it to dry. All in all for being so sparse it really isn't displeasing. Thing is once the fuselage is closed all you can realy see is the seat back without a penlight and optivisor on... oh well...





hope to close it all up tonight and tonight or tomorrow prime it... I got some GREAT tips on the rigging in the aircraft forum so not sure which one of them I will follow but any of them should work...
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Posted by fightnjoe on Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:00 PM
now a little bit of a history lesson.


december 1940, adml isoroku yamamoto decides that the best strategy in case of a war against the united states is to strike a disabling blow against the united states navy. he presents this idea to adml onishi. the two of them begin to devise perimiters for said attack. both are united in the thought the attack must be upon the naval fleet stationed at pearl harbor, oahu, hawaii.

december 1940 ambassador grew, ambassador to japan, is advised of a rumor of a japanese attack in planning. this attack is to be a suprise attack on the installations surrounding the naval base at pearl harbor. this is forwarded to washingon dc where it is promptly dismissed as lacking substanance.

spring of 1941, adml onishi presents this idea to master stratigist commander genda. genda has had the same thought. genda dives into the plan and begins to put his ideas to light. it is genda who strongly advises the carriers not the battleships (yamamotos idea) must be the primary target. it is also set in stone that the attack must continue until the carriers have been destroyed. genda also makes a strong suggestion that following an attack the forces of imperial japan must occupy the island of oahu. this is promptly shot down by onisha. the logistics for the japanese armed forces wont allow such a thing.

the main points discussed.

-the attack must be a suprise.
-the carriers/cruisers/destroyers must be a priority target.
-the land based aircraft must be a priority target.
-torpedo, divebombers, horizontal bombers, and fighters must be used as attacking planes.
-the mission must be carried out to its fullest before the attacking force can return to japan.

more to follow...........................


joe

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:43 PM
I have a book about Pearl Harbor. The Japanese got the idea of a surprised carrier based attack from the Brits when they attacked an Italian port and sank Battleships with Fairey torpedo planes.

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:44 PM
Oh by the way Tom your plane looks great.
Bow [bow]Bow [bow]

-Josiah

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