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AIRCRAFT - On The Warpath: The Curtiss P-40

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Posted by dragonfly on Friday, July 1, 2005 11:12 AM
I thought I was just about ready for some paint untill I put some primer on to check the joins. Those two little filler panels in front of the exhuast are going to need some more attention. I tried Mr. Surfacer 500 for the first time only to find out it shrunk some. I'll go back to the old tried and true CA for filling from now on. As far as the trailing edge on the wing, I tapered it as much as I could without chewing up the fabric detail. It's still a little thick, but I guess it's ok for me.

Question on paint; If I'm using the RAF colors topside, is nuetral gray correct, or should I use Sky on the underside?

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, July 1, 2005 12:28 PM
Dragonfly, The RAF Birds left the factory with the undersides painted Aircraft Grey. Most of them were not repainted, with the exception of those given the Desert camo.

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Posted by dragonfly on Friday, July 1, 2005 2:45 PM
Rick,

I'm sorry, I was unclear about the colors. I'm planning to use the kit markings with Dk. green and Dk. earth over hasegawa's recommendation of nuetral gray underneath. 23rd FG China 1942. I assumed the topside colors were the same as the RAF, which I have left over from a Spit I finished. Am I right or wrong? Thanks Rick.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, July 1, 2005 3:50 PM
Jerry, The answer I gave applied to P-40B's of the AVG & may or may not apply to the later Birds. Osprey #35 has a profile of the Aircraft you're building & calls the color out as Medium Grey. Not very helpful I know. For what it's worth, the color profile shows it in Neutral Grey.

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Posted by dragonfly on Friday, July 1, 2005 3:59 PM
Thanks alot Rick, I hope I'm not becoming a pain. I guess I'll go with neutral gray cause there's just a little more contrast. Neutral and medium are very close.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, July 1, 2005 4:09 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dragonfly

Thanks alot Rick, I hope I'm not becoming a pain. I guess I'll go with neutral gray cause there's just a little more contrast. Neutral and medium are very close.

Jerry


Sounds like a good plan to me Smile [:)]

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Posted by Mark Joyce on Saturday, July 2, 2005 8:56 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dragonfly

I'm sorry, I was unclear about the colors. I'm planning to use the kit markings with Dk. green and Dk. earth over hasegawa's recommendation of nuetral gray underneath. 23rd FG China 1942. I assumed the topside colors were the same as the RAF, which I have left over from a Spit I finished. Am I right or wrong?


Hi Jerry,

If I'm not mistaken, for P-40's with the Temperate Land scheme, the underside color was the equivalent of RAF Light Grey, FS36463 (although a few P-40E's might have been painted in the Curtiss equivalent of RAF Light Blue). Neutral Grey was used for P-40's with Olive Drab on the topside. An excellent discussion regarding P-40E colors can be found here:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/history/meteor/cresswell.shtml

Although the article discusses Cresswell's Kittyhawk specifically, it talks of Dana Bell's research on P-40E colors in general.

HTH,

Mark
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Posted by dragonfly on Saturday, July 2, 2005 11:26 AM
Thanks Mark, that's very interesting reading. Now if I can find some RAF light grey.

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Posted by JoeRugby on Saturday, July 2, 2005 2:17 PM
A little, very little progress an a Revell-O-Gram P40B. 1/48 scale, sort of strange as I do almost exclusively 1/72. The upper fuselage half shows the weathering/wear contrast I am attempting (yes I know I need to go back and knock off those mold marksAngry [:(!])

I have also started rebuilding the seat. Filled in the slot for where the pilot is supposed to go and am beginging to build the frame around the seat it self.
Sorry no photos of that, my camera and more importantly photography skills would make that a waste of time.


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Posted by fightnjoe on Saturday, July 2, 2005 2:19 PM
joe i am very interested to see how you tackle the pit. i look forward to the pics.



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Posted by waikong on Saturday, July 2, 2005 3:28 PM
I'm actually in the home stretch, just minor work, gear doors, attenna's etc.. to finish up. Just have to have patience as its usually around now that I can't wait to finish up and mess something up in the process. Hopefully will have pictures in the 2 days or so. For all everyone in the US, have a Happy 4th of July.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, July 2, 2005 6:45 PM
Joe, looks like a start from here.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 3, 2005 7:33 PM
Ok...I'm "under way" here on my first airplane build since about 1989?...a long time ago...
Monogram P-40B OOB, nothing fancy here, I just want to try and get a decent looking plane out of this.
I have filled in the hole in the seat( NO WAY am I ready to detail paint a pilot!), and painted everything else in the simple kit cockpit the base colors.
I drilled out the exhaust and painted them with Testor's Rust from the little square bottles.
I haven't decided which of the kit versions it will be yet, the ARMY or AVG.





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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, July 3, 2005 7:37 PM
Looks like a good start Gary. Keep us posted.

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Posted by dragonfly on Sunday, July 3, 2005 9:16 PM
You're on your way, can't wait to see more. Looks good so far.

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Posted by yardbird78 on Monday, July 4, 2005 1:27 AM
That's a nice restart to the hobby. Keep the pictures coming.

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, July 4, 2005 11:08 AM
Progress pics of my ‘N. Getting down to the wire… finally.



Obviously some work to do before I can unmask the canopy. A question for you all about procedure as I am concerned with A. how will the canopy look and B. how long the tape has been on there. Do you do the canopy separate if you are making a closed cockpit? Or as I have done… all glued up and masked off as one piece?

I also have to ask about the white. Do you tint it to tone it down before applying? That’s a lot of white and WOW is it stark. I am wondering if just weathering will “take it DOWN a notch…” and still not be too white.

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Posted by dragonfly on Monday, July 4, 2005 1:35 PM
Looks great Marc. The success of a good looking canopy is relative to the care of your masking on that particular part. Obviously, carefull masking should produce nice crisp lines. I've left tape on for 2 weeks with no adverse effects. Also, If you're going to leave the canopy closed, you may as well paint it at the same time you spray the fuselage as you have already done. I also like to gray white down a little just for scale effect. Reefer white does have a little gray in it, but I like to go a little further.

Your model really is looking good Marc, can't wait to see it finished.

Cheers,

Jerry
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Posted by Mark Joyce on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 12:24 AM
Joe and Gary, your builds are starting out looking great. Hope to see more progress pictures soon.

Marc, I can't wait to see your finished bird! Your paint job looks super. In regards to your question about leaving masking on a canopy, I've left both the precut masks and Tamiya tape on for several weeks and have had no problems in their removal. I also do like Jerry said, in that I paint the canopy the same time as fuselage so that the colors match. This is especially important if I plan on fading the paint. However, I usually don't have the canopy on the fuselage while painting, just off to the side.

I have my P-40N pretty much assembled, but am still working on fixing the seams. Most of them are probably due to "operator error," but for a couple there was just no easy way around. Of course, this means the resultant rescribing of lines lost in sanding, which I detest (because I'm so poor at it).

Mark
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Posted by Thehannaman2 on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 1:41 PM
Great looking bird so far, Marc. I am doing a 1/72nd scale 'N' from the 49th. I had to deal with those stark white leading edges and tails. I used an oil wash of lamp black and raw umber in the panel lines and brushed the access back to "stain" the white a bit. Then I dusted the top of the wings and tail with a thin Tamiya Desert Yellow to give it that dusty "I've been left out in the sun in New Guinea"-look.





Unfortunately, this same oil wash brought out some un-wanted details, like that seem on the leading edge by the guns. D'oh! I guess I should fix that.



Now I get to do my least favorite part: the canopy.

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 2:07 PM
Looking good Hannaman. Almost home with this one.

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Posted by waikong on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 2:52 PM
hannaman, looks great. Hear you about the canopy, I don't think I have done one where I'm completely happy with it. What did you do for the exhaust stain?
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Posted by Thehannaman2 on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 3:12 PM
Thanks guys!

Waikong, the pipes are painted rust then stained with thinned lamp black (artist oils). The stains themselves are in three thinned layers of Tamiya acrylics. The first being flat black right up to under the windscreen. Then a streak about half as long of neutral grey, (same color as the underside), finished off with a smidge of flat white right at the rear of the pipes. I over-spray the rear pipes a bit when I do this because I've noticed that the real things have the rear-most two or three catching all the poop from the forward pipes.
In some cases you can use Tamiya smoke if you're shooting for an oily brownish look.

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 3:29 PM
Nice hannaman. When I post my next progress pics... well probably will be the finished plane at this point... you will see that very much like your choice of markings. As if the paint I have down so far isn’t a give-away. Did those come with the kit or are they AM? For me anything non-German will be more or less OOTB and I don’t have massive amount of references materials on hand. As I follow the recommendations that came with my AM decals (Eagle Strike) it is interesting to see subtle differences as to paint lines and marking positioning. The 2 thing that are most prominent to me so far seems to make more sense on yours than on mine – Position of the numbers on the tail and on mine there is a small “step” in front of the tail between the upper and lower fuselage colors - which leads me to believe yours may be a tad more accurate

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Posted by Thehannaman2 on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 3:52 PM
Marc,

Yours is probably accurate as there is little to no references (at least that I can find) that show any kind of standard practice for painting those white tails. I have three profiles of my plane and none of them match as to the demarcation line and how it goes 'round. I simply went with the easiest to paint. Blindfold [X-)] I'm not too sure about the numbers. Where are they supposed to be according to your sheet? I would've thought those were pretty standard.
The decals are Aeromaster out of the Hasegawa 1/72nd P-40 "13th Pursuit Group" AT-107. They are the 'other' option.
Now, where is that canopy?.......

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 7:00 PM
OK, I got the cockpit finished and installed along with the exhaust, and cemented the fuselage together.
I think I will take some blacked out card stock and fill in underneath the pilot's seat and where a front or rear bulkhead should be ( a little too much 'see through" for my taste when you look into the "pit".
I dry brushed the instrument panel with silver paint.
Thanks for all the encouragement !




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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 7:08 PM
Good progress Gary. Keep us posted.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 7:39 PM
Yeah lookin' good. More pics when the wings go on please.

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Posted by pingtang on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 9:09 PM
Great looking progress Marc, Hannaman and Gary. Can't wait to see some of these builds finished.

My build is coming along slowly. I've got all the join lines filled and sanded, now I just need to re-scribe some panel lines that I lost during that process. I'm doing the fuselage and wings seperately at the moment to make it a bit easier to work on. The fit of the wings to the fuselage is really good, so as soon as I finish the cockpit, I'll glue it in and then put the wings on.

And, I actually started working on my Mauve P-40N today. Not much progress at the moment. I test fitted all the major components and all the parts look like they'll fit well. I decided to glue the wing tops to the fuselage to start with because it looked like it could have been a problem if I glued them to the wing bottoms first.

pics soon.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 9:59 AM
Sounds good Daniel. I'm at the same point in my build. Looking forward to the pics.

Regards, Rick
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