Moto GP group build '05

Great news guys!! Studio 27 will release a transkit of the 2002 Kawasaki ZX-RR MotoGP! The bike is done by Max Motomodeling and will use the Tamiya M1 as a donor. Count on it being expensive (approx 14500 yen) but what a great bike!!
More on www.motomodeling.com

/Joel

i would say semi-gloss black with a little gold into the mixture.. Even if you try to emulate the carbon effect by using carbon sheets, I afraid you wont be able to find the right scale or print as it's simply too fine.

Yes, I guess so. From my ref pics it looks semi gloss black even standing beside the other team bikes. I'll go with SGB as I hate doing CF...
/Joel

Joel,
The bare carbon for the test bike seems to be darker than other makes. They use a very fine weaving type of carbon 'cloth' to construct the fairing which can be seen from close range. From far it look like there are painted with semi-gloss black.

No problem Cupcai. It's discussions like these that makes this hobby so interesting! I'm glad we had it :-)
/Joel

Dave - I'd decal the fairings before you put the bike together. On the Gauloises (or GO!!!!) bike, none of the decals go over the joins in the fairings, except for those small inserts in the side fairings. I used a bit of blu-tak to hold the pieces in place while I put the decal on then cut down the join line.

Joel,
During the Sepang 04 test, Team Repsol is using the new swing while the rest is using 03 spec and not all as I'd said earlier. My appology for making ur head spin :) Yes, you can go ahead and paint thoose fairing semi-gloss black .

If the body has anything like the RC211V's fit, check out the discussion between Joel and myself on the previous page - there is only one way to go!!!!!! and that's doing it before final assembly.

In short, this was the last bike I built doing it afterwards. I liked doing it that way in order to assure the allignment. The decals and the fit of the bikes nowadays are so good, you don't need to do it that way nowadays. Apart from that, you can really get it better "around" the frame (when it needs to go there) beforehand. No wheels or other stuff in the way, no unexpected jumping loose of bottom parts when you put on pressure...

Just finished spraying my M1 body parts TS-51 in colour. They have come out quite well considering i am using a spray can and doing it in the garden as my modelling room has very little ventilation !!!

Does anyone have any tips about the decals for the standard GO!!!! livery ? Should i wait and put them on at the end or are there some that are easier to put on part-way through ?

Dave

For all you wanting to build the Spidey... just saw SMS released theirs. Small pics on their site, but it seems to be layers upon layers (upon layers!) The fine "mesh" seems to be on a sheet of its own. Bigger webs, plus seemingly pre-cut Fortuna decals on another sheet...

Good luck!

Shayne: Take a look here for my ref pics of the Spidy bike. THink I have 7 or 8 at least.
http://www.onetwelvth.com/tips/allmant/reference/index.htm Just click M1 04.

I'll post my ref pics for the test bike soon and we'll take a majority decision upon wether it is painted black or bare CF.
/Joel

Aaaah, back home! How nice. Only flew in yesterday eve, have to catch up tonight with where I was on the bike. Decalling basically done. Know there was still a few loose ends to tie up, hope I don't miss any of them.

Nice one, Shayne! At least I am not alone in having both the fork set and the PE for the duck, but no model yet! Naaah, not a cheap PC. Go on, buy a XP Mediacenter, a huge plasma screen and a good surround sound system. You can store pics on there as well! (Sorry, my trip was to the local TechEd...) Mind you, that will be guaranteed to rob your modelling of (a) funds and (b) time...

In an attempt to look for somethings else, I might have run across something truly brilliant. Saw lots of guys talking about using auto paints and checked out our local ranges. Then saw one I had to buy and the first results looked very promising indeed: it is called "super chrome". Did a quick spray on a bit of sprue. Super chrome indeed! Will play around with it a bit more, but from initial impressions this will be the answer to a lot of shiny exhausts! Anybody else tried a local version of something similar? Experiences?

Love those pre-season black bikes! Go for it, Joel! I also actually though it was plain CF and not painted black. Goes to show...

Thanks guys you are far too kind.
Yamafreak- goto Max's sit under how to you will find a bit about making the tri exhaust from scratch in Japanese though
http://www.motomodeling.com/
anyone have any decent pic's of the spiderman scheme could only find three ,thought I would start looking for these now.
Pingtang hope you made your desk L shaped and two meters long each side you wil need it if anything like me,Brought another cheap commputer for hobbyroom just to keep all of the ref pic's being collecting and now have to make one side an extra meter long to fit it

Yamafreak,
just saw your question (twas a while ago)

QUOTE: Can somebody tell me why there are two different designs for Rossi's dog, Guido- one in a hawaiian shirt and the other in prison stripes? Also there are two different "The Doctor" windscreen decals- one him throwing a peace sign, the other a mug shot, presumably to go with the jailbird Guido.

fwiw, the prison decals were used after the Brno race of 2003. Rossi had been beaten in the previous 3 races, and was getting serious stick from the press, especially the Italian press. When he won at Brno, he donned a ball and chain and his fan club did a chain gang routine at the side of the track. Rossi's way of responding to the critics. Anyway, the prison motif was on his bike for the next race, possibly the rest of the season. hth.

btw nice builds by you guys. Doing a series of 250GP bikes myself - pics of work to date over in Autos. Not up to the quality here tho methinks. Keep it up.

Cupcai
Yes, I know they were racing on it later on but it doesn't seem that they actually used it on this particular test bike and in the early season. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
/Joel

Joel,
FYI the rear suspension on the 04 bike is fitted invertedly and the resevoir is at the bottom of the swing. All the RC is using it.

Nice build, Shayne. Hope mine turns out that nice. Nobody's building Vale's Valencia bike, are they? Just hoping all three of my builds don't end up being copies of somebody else's. Anybody have any ideas on how I might be able to copy the open pipes from the Valencia kit to use on my #69 Repsol? I've never done resin casting or anthing like that, and I can't seem to find the S27's anywhere.

Shayne - VERY nice build. I like the look of the Repsol bikes, that's why I haven't tried my luck on any of them yet... I would go for a subtle heat stain on the exhaust though to make it stand out a bit.

Regarding the test bike I actually think it's painted semigloss black. None of the ref pics show any CF pattern what so ever wich is visible on for example Rossis bike of the same test days. Even if it is CF I'll do it black, then decal it up, semi-gloss clear and then buff the decal areas a bit.

Pingtang - could you expand what you are saying about the swing? I'll take a closer look at my few refs and see if I can get to it. Did all the Hondas try it or just the factory team?
If it's different from the 03 Valencia swing I have to do something about it.
/Joel

During the Sepang test in Feb.04, Honda actually tested a new swing-arm which looks a lil beefier. The rest looks pretty much like the late 03 version. If you intend to do the full carbon (test bike), make sure it's finish off with semi-gloss coating and not gloss.

Joel - That scheme should look great on the RCV. I like the look of the test bikes in their black liveries. Is the main paint scheme black? Or is it bare carbon fibre? I've seen a few of the test bikes in CF, but that one looks to be painted black.

Yamafreak - Thanks for posting those pics. I was wondering what the new sheets looked like.

Shayne - Your bike looks good. Nice job on the paint scheme.

My new modelling desk is just about finished, so I should be able to get back to work on my bikes very soon. I'm getting inspired again too with all this activity in the GB.

Hi guys have made it back to commputer,been a bit bit busy at work last few weeks going on hoilday monday for two weeks so will post some pic's of build .
Gave up on doing 05 RC atfer front fender took about four weeks to do, and rear seat cowl just as long could not be bothered doing side cowls ,So now it is Haydens 1st test bike of 04.
Joel as you say only diff between 03 Valencia and 04 is front fender but also from Assen onwards Repsol bike had the new double pipes under seat






Had a little mishap on saet cowl with decal and a three year daughter.
I have to say was a little distrauted near end of this build when the new duke from Tamyia came out have got both PE parts for it but not the actual model itself.
I have also got the spiderman decals and putting this one off until new year i'm a bit of a woose when it comes to doing complex decals (one of the main reasons have still got telefoncia RC on shelf)
Will catch up with you all in a couple of weeks
Any feedback is good feedback

If you don't count the fact that there never seems to be a 04 or 03 version any longer, due to small changes each and every race, then you can use the Valencia version of the Repsol bike and only have to change the front fender. But that could be a bit of rivet counting...you could probably do the Valencia and "get away" with it ;-)
/Joel

Should be an interesting build, Joel. What exactly is involved in converting Tamiya's '03 RC to an '04? Other than the exhaust, of course, which I still can't seem to find for my #69. Also, I was asked a little while ago to post pics of the Scale Motorsport "Hi-Def Composite Fiber" decals I used. Finally, here they are. Great to work with I might add. Please excuse my stubby digit, I just wanted to show the size of the pattern, it's the 1/12th variety.

I guess you all know the standard Camel livery by now. Here's the test version from Sepang in the beginning of 2004.



This is the Ukawa bike though, wich can be spotted on the Bridgestone logos. The 2005 test version uses the blue base areas for the camel logo as the race bike does and it is also quite nice but this is better in my opinion. As I said it will need some decal work and decal sheet bashing but it will hopefully turn out as an original build.
/Joel

I'll post images this evening.
Regarding the valve stems I'm thinking of drilling the hole from the outside. Don't know if it will work but as you say it seems hard to do it from the inside.
/Joel

Nice catch, Joel! Upon closer examination, that M1 is back in the garage. I did use the fork set, and found it to be a very nice addition to what already is a pretty much perfect kit. I didn't use the valve stems, as I don't have a pin vice and drill bits. Not sure how to drill in that confined of a space anyway. What does that Biaggi scheme that you mention look like? I can't seem to remember test bikes other than the all over carbon fiber. Pics? Might start working on parts prep for the RC's tonight, depending on how many honey-do's the Mrs. has for me. Also, I might try for better, less blurry pics.

Today I did some modifications to my build order list. I do that all the time...
After finishing these two NSR's (hopefully til new years...) I decided to do a Biaggi tribute with his ´04 Camel Honda side by side with the test version of the same bike from Sepang. There is no decal sheet for it so it has to be custom made, but the livery is AWESOME in my opinion, so it has to go on my shelf. What do you think of the idea? I'm planning to superdetail them so I guess they will take 2006 to finish....
/joel

That is one mean livery, that's for sure! I think you've done a great job, both paintwise and with that CF-decal. I see you've had some mishap with the decal on the air intake and that's a bummer although I think it's a job well done to get the decal there in the first place. As you say, the pictures are a bit blurry to show all the details but I give my thumbs up for the build. Did you use the front fork set by the way? Any comments on that?
Now go get those RCV:s!
/Joel

Joo wanna pic? Hah? (Tony Montana voice) ThassOK, I got Joo pics!






Sorry for the blurry effect, not the most modern digital camera. Oh, and after I got these uploaded, of course I notice I forgot to paint the muffler strap! Please excuse me whilst I pound my head with a bottle of X-18. Now, I can get back to my two RC's. I decided to go ahead with that Nicky Hayden scheme, even though I'm still waiting on HLJ for the decals. That and the Valencia hopefully will be done side by side. Let me know what you think of the pics. Criticism welcome, but please be gentle.

meh, been hiding behind a pile of armor kits for too long. when I first joined the forum I was here to build bike kits to get away from armor, now I am stuck with a room full of armor kits instead... anyways, I sanded clean the engine, frame, exhaust, and rear fork for the old nsr500 and getting them ready for paint. The rest of the detail parts are all off the tree and cleaned up. The cowlings were sanded clean a while back, so all that's left is all the painting and detail painting to get it done by year's end.

still hoping to find more pix for the real bike so i can see how the weld seams are located on the exhaust and the actual colors for some of the parts. tamiya kinda did a piss-poor job at it.