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  • From: Quantico, VA
Posted by Yamafreak72 on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:33 AM
Hey Gents,

Just got back from Laguna...OH MY GAWD ARE THOSE BIKES LOUD!!! I mean like shake the earth, pierce your eardrums loud. Got some GREAT pics and video, from turn 11 and the souvenier area, including video of one of Rossi's '04 M1s at the Yamaha tent. Also got Wayne Rainey's YZR, and a few others. If there is any way possible for you to go to a Moto GP race (if you haven't been) you MUST go. Tickets don't go on sale until September, but believe me, I will be among the first to call. And this time I'll be going all three days-the only way to do it. Even the wife agrees with that one as she had a blast as well. I will do my best to post some of my pics in the next couple days. And seeing Nicky win was fantastic! Woulda liked to see Colin take it- hey, he's on a Yami and from Texas - but this is just as good. Obviously, I didn't do any building out there, picked up a New Ray "model" of Rossi's M1 for $15USD that I plan on trying to do a detail job on alongside my Tamiya effort. I definitly have new inspiration after seeing these machines in person, so excuse me while I go build!
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Posted by shayne wright on Monday, July 11, 2005 7:11 AM
two picks out of three an't to bad(hayden 1st+edwards)as i keep saying track knowledge is a major part of racing
will be starting cowling alteratins on RCv over next couple of days post some progress picks end of week
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 11, 2005 5:59 AM
Progress report.
Fortuna Yamaha M1 parts all prepared ready for painting, just waiting for a warm sunny week-end. Have started the WEST RCV with glueing a few bits together, will probaberly work on the RCV for the next couple of weeks getting the bits ready for painting once the weather turns more favourable and warm
Andrew
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Posted by archangel571 on Monday, July 11, 2005 12:48 AM
MUHAHAHAHA, Nicky Hayden wins the US grand prix. in ya face rossi! hehe. =P
-=Ryan=- Too many kits... so little free time. MadDocWorks
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:44 AM
Shayne - I cut the little peg off the part and then drill holes with a drill in the right dimension. I then dip the fishing line in some super glue and attach it. Simple as that. Don't use CA glue though as it will melt the plastic of the fine points of attachement.

I hope you guys have seen that Renaissance is releasing a Konica Minolta RC211V '05 transkit? It will cost 64 euros but will include allmost every cowling part in resin and the decal sheet. From what I hear Etienne is also working on the Batman decal sheet and some stunning transkits for the 2001 Repsol NSR's!

best regards
Joel - who is awaiting a hopefully stunning race at Laguna Seca
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  • From: Paarl, South Africa
Posted by SeaBee on Saturday, July 9, 2005 5:37 AM
Daniel, glad to see I'm not the only one not having started! Wink [;)] Between work and standby I am unfortunately not getting much modeling done at this stage. The airbrush dramas did not help much, either...

That 50th anniv scheme does look stunning! Maybe S27 (or the likes) can indulge is with a set! Or a fullblown Tamiya release - they did do the once-off Rossi Valencia bike... might be a possibility.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 8, 2005 6:10 AM
Mitch I got my clear tubes 1.2mm and 0.8mm from HLJ (Japan) reasonably prices and fast delivery about two weeks. I think the 1.2mm too thick but i liked the look of the 0.8mm. I poured some TS green through the tube and then flushed it with thinners and got a nice stained green colour similar to the tubes on the real bike, looks OK

Andrew
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Posted by shayne wright on Friday, July 8, 2005 3:50 AM
Joel how do you attach the fishing line to the model? do you drill little holes for it or just glue it to model .Have never any aftermarket stuff before apart from some pe parts which i will be useing for the RCV
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 8, 2005 3:31 AM
The 50 anniversary theme is really gorgeous, I like the look of the 05 bike with that great looking tank. Hopefully Tamiya will release this one, perhaps along with the Miro livery?? You can allways dream.
/Joel
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Posted by archangel571 on Friday, July 8, 2005 1:44 AM
To mitchgixer6: I got mine (and a set of studio27 detail parts for rc211v) at Best1hobby.com. They had a section for Modeler's that makes all kinds of tubes and some other brands too. 150 gets you free shipping which is why I only shop there once every half a year after I decided on which 5 tanks to get and saved enough model money eating only roast beef sandwiches during lunch at work. (Okay, the second part was over exaggerated). LOL. And I am NOT advertising for them. I stumbled across their site while looking for some Bandai Gundams that I used to build.
-=Ryan=- Too many kits... so little free time. MadDocWorks
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  • From: NSW, Australia
Posted by pingtang on Thursday, July 7, 2005 11:12 PM
I've got just about everything I need to start building my M1 now. Got some white primer yesterday, and am just waiting on some CF decals. Then I'll wait until I get a couple of other builds finished and they'll be underway.
-Daniel
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Posted by shayne wright on Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:23 PM
check out this http://www.yamaha-racing.com/50years/ yamaha are doing a 70's theme for the usgp
have come to a stand still ran out of some paint have to send away for it.Otherwise have got engine,swing arm and frame done
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:11 AM
Can you guys recommend anywhere to get the clear tubes from? I would be into putting some of them on my build.
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Posted by archangel571 on Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:28 AM
thanx for the reply joel.

darn now i really wish i can get a ticket to laguna seca to watch the MotoGP qualifier this weekend... i guess speed vision on a 42in plasma will have to cover it for now then... booooooooooooooo, new jersey sucks!
-=Ryan=- Too many kits... so little free time. MadDocWorks
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 1:28 AM
Hi Ryan!
I think Modelers' clear tubes are great.
When it comes to brake lines I mostly use .6 mm fishing line. Same for clutch and .4 mm for throttle, looks good to me.
best regards
Joel
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  • From: NJ 07073
Posted by archangel571 on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 2:44 PM
darn, that price is absolutely ridiculous, tamiya's masterworks only sells for 50 on ebay. who is he kidding. plus that clear pipe in the back for the brake mastercylinder or watever is supposed to be clear green if you look at the tamiya box!

but then clear hoses do look awesome. i ordered a set of .9mm ones by modeler's since it was pretty much the smaller one with the large end at 1.2mm in size. anyone got any opinions on those and also the size for the brake lines??
-=Ryan=- Too many kits... so little free time. MadDocWorks
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Posted by pingtang on Sunday, July 3, 2005 9:43 PM
He must be kidding right? Who would pay $1000 for a finished model??? Good work if you can get it.......
-Daniel
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Posted by Yamafreak72 on Sunday, July 3, 2005 1:30 PM
Shayne- Rossi, Edwards, Milandri IMHO. We shall see.
Also everyone check this out on Ebay, I'm in the wrong line of work!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5985288150&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
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Posted by pingtang on Sunday, July 3, 2005 7:16 AM
That's like me picking Troy Bayliss to win the Aussie GP........But that's not gonna happen now, is it?Big Smile [:D]

I'll hopefully get some white primer this week, so as soon as I get a few other builds out of the way, I'll make a start on the Gauloises M1. I'll hopefully get my hands on some CF decals soon, but that can wait a while. The bits that need CF'ing, get done a bit later in the build.
-Daniel
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Posted by shayne wright on Sunday, July 3, 2005 6:35 AM
Smile [:)] hi guys here is a link for everyone doing an RCV http://ansmodelisme.topcities.com/SECOND/motorcycles/motorcycles.html
plus i'm giong to pick Hayden 1st,edwards 2nd and hopkins 3rd for the usa gp Big Smile [:D] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 2, 2005 2:02 PM
Be sure to post soe results!
/Joel
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Posted by Yamafreak72 on Saturday, July 2, 2005 12:25 PM
Sounds good, Joel. Being as this is my first attempt at simulating c/f, I'm going with Modeler's "Carbon Pattern Decal" I ordered from HLJ. They're made by Cartograf, so should be pretty good to deal with. Today's my start day, I'll be washing and prepping parts most of the afternoon. Thanks for the advice.
Sean
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 2, 2005 3:49 AM
Ok, Yamafreak here's my tips on the issue:

CF decal: In my eyes the easiest way for representing CF and it doesn't have to be bad at all. You have to find a type that matches and then get it there looking good. I tend to use a lot of Scale Motorsport "Plain weave pewter" in 1/24 scale but it's all in the eye of the beholder.
Mask the part to be covered with masking tape, trim the tape and move it to the CF sheet.
Cut it from the sheet allowing some excess around the edges.
Now, soak the decal in water and move it to a newspaper or such to get rid of excess water.
Cover part and decal with MicroSet and apply the decal.
Press it down with a damp cloth if it's possible, to get rid of any air caught benieth.
Now, put on a lot of MicroSol or something similar and go over the part/decal with your hair dryer. This last step can be repeated to get the decal to conform. Sometimes you get air bubbles, just pick them with a needle and put on more Microsol.
The hair dryer technique for CF is the best since it allows the decal to shrink in place.
After it has dried properly I paint the part with Tamiya smoke and then some clear to take the decal look away.

Mesh/stocking technique: In my opinion a choice between the two has to be made upon the complexity of the part to be painted. In both cases you need two sets of paint, one base coat (mostly a darker one) and a lighter color that will make the pewter visible. I tend to use semi gloss black as base and some metallic grey for pattern. It's really up to you to decide how the end result shall be, mabe use some brown/yellow combo if making kevlar?
The mesh will make a more subtle pattern, straight edged quadrants on a flat base. The mesh is more stiff though and harder to conform and therefor not that suitable for airboxes or such. The stocking on the other hand makes a more fuzzy pattern. You will see the shiftings in color but not in the same way as with the mesh. The pros with stocking is the conformity to an irregular surface.
When I've sorted that out I'll come to your question...Big Smile [:D] Trapping the part inside the mesh/stocking is the hardest part and the step where you can fail or succeed. You have to make a tight fit, but this is more important with the stocking as the mesh doesn't move around in the same way. I usually just wrap the part and try to get a firm hold on the back. If it's a very small part i use Blue tack on the back and squeeze the mesh in it. With stocking material you just try to get a tight fit and then pinch the stocking on the back and hold it firmly. If you spray directly from above it doesn't matter if the you have irregularities in the part, paint will go on in a strict pattern anyway.
Next step is to gently spray some greyish paint with low air preassure. You shall just pass the part a few times. Too much paint makes the end result look like crap.
Finally you remove the stocking/mesh...easier said than done as it is here you are able to be up for an major screw up...If it's a small part I just grab an edge of the mesh and let the part fall to the table. Larger parts I try to grab in an edge and quickly remove the mesh. If it looks like crap, just soak the part in windex if using acrylics and start over. Most often the result looks great.
I guess the major difference between stocking and mesh is the possibility to conform the stocking, In my eyes the mesh technique makes a better end result though. So my two cents after this long post is to try and use a mix of two or three techniques, depending on how the parts look. CF decal is as I said probably the easiest to get in place but the end result turns out better with paint.
best regards
Joel
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Posted by shayne wright on Friday, July 1, 2005 8:01 PM
you can either use a figure from a hellor kit,mediamix have riders made by el elso
i've got one made by mrm in england they were going to make some more buut that was a few years ago not sure if they got around to doing them or not.the one that i have got is a karl fogerty one for a ducati superbike but will adapt to the rossi one if i get around to it have had for 3-4 years and haven't started it yet
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Posted by Yamafreak72 on Friday, July 1, 2005 5:01 PM
Shayne,
Cool decals! Now where to find a figure....anyone?
JOEL- on the nylons technique for carbon fiber look, how does one secure the nylon to a part with complex curves, like the heat shield(?) by the right foot peg on the M1? Just trying to weigh my options between trying c/f decals, which I haven't done before, and getting up the guts to go to the store and buy nylons, since the wife would murder me if I stole hers. Oh, and am I gonna see any of you at the USGP in a couple days?
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Posted by shayne wright on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:07 PM
Hi guys for anyone interrested msm creations have brought out these rossi decals for a racing figure if you can get hold of one .You are able to get them from mediamix and redesigns http://www.mediamixhobby.com.sg/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3246&osCsid=151944fd860810b1d0f51c956e53864d for a resonable amount
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:49 AM
God damn, there are lots to do when finishing off a model... So many tiny details to fix that it is taking me ages to finish two of my RCV's. I thought the Camel and Pramac ones were almost finished but eh....no... Hopefully I'll finish them tomorrow after spending too much time with them recently. Camel looks quite fine but the Pramac livery turned out like crap unfortunately...
best regards
Joel
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:21 AM
Shayne and Joel thanks for all the help I should soon have a sufficient stock of photos
Thanks for all the help

Andrew
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:43 AM
Andrew - The trick is to clear coat over the decal, but as you say, it is risky if you don't get the edges covered properly. Another idea is to photo copy the decal and transfer it to masking tape. I do it your way when the decals cover a larger surface but on the Fortuna bike it is important that the red ends where it shall...

Shayne - Just tell me if you find any photos, they would be most appreciated.

best regards
Joel
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Posted by shayne wright on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:03 AM
ANDREW: click on this link to yamaha http://www.yamaha-racing.com/ click on motogp and you find as many pic's of the M1 as you can handle there is even a 360 view of the bike,you will even find a couple of pic's of the bike they tested at the race in Valencia last year with the short exhuasts in lower cowling.

JOEL: i have seen a few pic's of lucky strike honda but do you think that i can remember where it was (real bike) i think it was a japanese racing site will try to see if i can find them again .It was most likely the Suzka 8hr bike that i seen but will see what i come up with
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