Moto GP group build '05

OK, so I finally got my airbrush put back together and attempted to do a little painting of some exhaust pipes.  Problems soon ensued as I now have a surging problem with the paint being fed through the brush (I have a Badger Anthem 155 dual action internal mix) and the paint I'm using is apparently so old that what I had personally mixed to be a nice representation of titanium (Testors chrome silver, gold, and some copper) now looks PINK and grainy.  ARRGGHHH!  This is after I got the pipes for both my N. Hayden RC211V and Melandri M1 done of course, so I've got to start all over again. 

In other more pleasent news, I just won a Lion Roar PE set for the M1 off Ebay.  Anybody ever use one of these yet?  Also had a bid in for one for my not-to-be-built-for-months Williams FW24, but no luck there.  Oh well, pipe stripping awaits.

Joel,

I don't know what the shipping costs would be to you from here in Texas, but Squadron Mail Order has a nice selection of tools and stuff.  Not always the cheapest, but you can find sales now and then.  Check them out:

http://www.squadron.com/SearchResults.asp?ScaleList=everything&TypeList=17&ManuList=everything&Key=&Submit=Go

Also, I got an email today with a shipping confirmation for my airbrush repair parts.  Hopefully we'll be back in business this weekend.

Do you guys have some tips regarding modeler saws or thin blade saws in general? I need to have some and don't know what to shop for.

Any tips would be much appreciated.
/Joel

Yes I was :-)

I'm waiting and waiting for Renaissance to get on with their promised transkit for this bike. It had a release for last autumn at first but now I don't know what happened.

They are supposed to do the repsol, repsol test and repsol muguello bikes wich would be a nice set for the shelf.

Miami was good by the way but I didn't manage to find any nice model deals. I guess I'll stick to E-Bay. Nice and warm in Florida though.

best regards
joel

The 2001 bike has some more minor changes in decal and fairings.  There was a thread I read on automotiveforum.com or something that had somebody doing this as a project.  let me pull that out. 

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=310884

Hey look, Joel was there.

nick31 wrote:

While on the subject of the 2000/2001 Rossi bikes, the 2001 version differed quite a bit from the 2000 model. Practically all the fairing was revised, as were the frame and swingarm, as you can see... 2000 model: 2001 model:

So it was in 2001 when they moved the ram air into the nose of the bike.

I miss the 2 smokes, much more entertaining to watch.

While on the subject of the 2000/2001 Rossi bikes, the 2001 version differed quite a bit from the 2000 model.

Practically all the fairing was revised, as were the frame and swingarm, as you can see...

2000 model:

2001 model:

Yamafreak72 wrote:

Wow, some nice builds since I've been away to Amarillo!  Nice to be back in a more populated part of tha state.  And imagine that, another kit by big T was waiting upon my return.  I got Rossi's Nastro Azzurro NSR 500, so that makes 4 (!) kits warming up on deck.  Five if you include the F1 Williams BMW FW24 I convinced myself I'll get to someday.  I'm confused however, I read the instruction sheet with the NSR and am wondering, is this his 2000 or '01 bike?  As I remember, '00 was Vale's first year in 500s, and he didn't win the championship until the next year.  So Tamiya made his rookie (for 500s) year bike, but not the championship version?  No progress lately, got a broke airbrush keeping me from progressing on my Hayden RC.  This weekend we'll see how fast I can get some parts for the thing and maybe return to work.

Thanks alot...

I learn alot building that one. Next will Be Rossi's yamaha or a Ducati motogp bike.

Wolfpac has been kind enough to give me some pointers.

nick31 wrote:

Wolfpac, looking at the rear hugger youve cf'd....very impressive. In fact I love it. Just started a few kits now that will need cf, and having done some test cf'ing, I cant get it right at all. Could you explain exactly how you do it, in particular what you use for the cf pattern ? Cheers, Nick

I first had to swallow my pride and go ask my wife for an old pair of panty hose.  The look she gave me was priceless

I first painted the part with a gloss black (Tamiya X-1), I have tried both semi gloss and gloss, and for some reason I prefered the gloss on this one.  I let that sit over night to dry and then placed the peice inside a portion of the pantyhose and twisted it underneath the part to get a good, tight overlay.  The nice thing about using the pantyhose is the tighter you make it, the wider pattern you can get.  I will than spray metallic gray (XF-56) very lightly through the pantyhose.  Make sure you keep an even distance and the same angle for each one of your passes, this will help make the lines smoother.  I cannot stress enough to use a very light coat!  Then I just slowly remove the panty hose and let it dry.  A lot of the guys on here will use a smoke top coat.  I have not tried that yet, I just apply a very light coat of future after the part has dried.  I very rarely get it right the first time I paint it, but the nice thing is it can always be repainted black and tried again.

I have also used the mesh screen method, which can be seen on Joels model and my RC211V I did here

http://www.finescale.com/FSM/CS/forums/585964/ShowPost.aspx

If there is anything else you need help with ask away, I'll be more than happy to help as much as I can and the guys/gals here are also extremely helpful.

Thank you for the compliments!

Erik

Wolfpac,

looking at the rear hugger youve cf'd....very impressive. In fact I love it.

Just started a few kits now that will need cf, and having done some test cf'ing, I cant get it right at all.

Could you explain exactly how you do it, in particular what you use for the cf pattern ?

Cheers,

Nick

No problems Erik, I'm glad to help out.

Joel - Who started the Moto Guzzi V10 Centauro yesterday. Very interesting build. Today I leave for ten days in Miami beach so no progress for me for a while.

joelrydh wrote:

Erik: For the swing arm problem. Glue the swing with the larger damper piece in place. E.g. don't put the damper together. Then put a drinking straw over the cylinder part of the damper and mask the lower parts off with tape and masking fluid. Then paint the swing. You may want to do a seam with glue before the painting but I don't find it necessary. For the exhaust pipes, mask the pipes off so that you only see really thin lines just over the seams. Then spray from a distance or with lower air preassure. If you get runs you apply too much paint over a too short period of time. Best regards Joel

Erik: For the swing arm problem. Glue the swing with the larger damper piece in place. E.g. don't put the damper together. Putty and sand the the seam to make it invisible. Then put a drinking straw over the cylinder part of the damper and mask the lower parts off with tape and masking fluid. Then prime and paint the swing. You may want to do a seam with glue before the painting but I don't find it necessary.

For the exhaust pipes, mask the pipes off so that you only see really thin lines just over the seams. Then spray from a distance or with lower air preassure. If you get runs you apply too much paint over a too short period of time.

Best regards

Joel

WOW...just found this site.

Amazing work from everyone.I'm not in the same league as everyone else but i just finished the first model i have attemted to put together.I'm hooked!!!!

Here it is finished.Almost embarrassed to show a pic after seeing the awesome work from every one else,but it's my first one.

archangel571 wrote:

Thanks for sharing, wolfpac.  Wait, is this the race where someone's bike flipped forward and threw him pretty much head down onto the ground and smashed the bike's windshield and his visor??  I caught a glimpse of that while channel surfing before I went out but forgot what it was.

Thanks for sharing, wolfpac. 

Wait, is this the race where someone's bike flipped forward and threw him pretty much head down onto the ground and smashed the bike's windshield and his visor??  I caught a glimpse of that while channel surfing before I went out but forgot what it was.

Hi SeaBee

Concerning the cracked decals it could be that the solvent in the paint especially if it is a lacquer clear is attacking the decals.

I have had this on a Suzuki Hayabusa when I sprayed the clear coat in a hurry and laid it down fairly thick the one decal cracked and recently on a Honda CX500 Turbo (I suspect on the Honda CX500 it is the age of the decals as they are 18 years old but one decal cracked anyway) .

I try to mist on two light coats of clear and then put on two wet coats of Clear. On the CX500 the last coat was quite thick and I think that may have caused the problem since I put down too much paint?   On the recent WEST Honda RCV and Honda 1000 Endurance bike I had no problems and the clear coats were quite wet on those bikes but no effect to the decals so may be luck of the draw or the fact that the decal sheets were Cartograf decal so more resistant?

Tamiya do warn on many of their instruction sheets about using a clear coat as it may damage the decals. I will still irrespective of the risk continue to use a clear as the end result is so much better .

I'm not sure why it the link wasn't showing the picture.  Just copy the link into your URL bar and it will take you to the pic.

joelrydh wrote:

Wolfpac: I can't see your picture... /Joel

Shayne: No, I haven't received the tubing. Let's give it some more time and see if it arrives.

Wolfpac: I can't see your picture...

/Joel

I just found this picture, and now I'm wondering how I'm going to break up the CF patern of the exhuast cover with the sub frame .  I used the screen method for the exhaust cover, I could try and do the panty hose method for the sub frame, it may allow me to define the pattern a little better.

http://i.pbase.com/u14/vw12/upload/20052005.hrcday_013.jpg