Moto GP group build '05

Can anyone tell me how Max did throttle cables?


And I am really envious of this

http://www.motomodeling.com/index.html

Yamafreak72 wrote:

Well, here it is- my '03 Nicky Hayden RC211V.  Kinda timely since he just won in Assen.  What's with that sponsor logo anyway?  A-Style?  Anybody else see what I see?  Anyway, this bike was a pain from day one.  It  started life as Biaggi's Pons Honda so I should have known there would be problems. It was my intent to show a late-season RC with the open pipes.  Then when I ordered the sprue from HLJ from the '03 Rossi Repsol, I saw it also had the late season fairings as well.  Remember that discussion?  Then when my Museum Nonsense decals arrived, I saw there was no way they were going to fit the longer fairings without some serious mods.  So it was early fairings and late pipes, but then the Museum Crap-olection decals self- destructed and it was back to HLJ for more parts.  This time the Tamiya Cartograf decals from the Rossi kit which would fit the late fairings had they not hit the inside retaining wall of my modeling room after the Misery Collection debacle.  So it is complete.  I noticed that the late pipes don't fit the early fairings as you can see in one of my pics- the rearmost under pipe is partially covered.  That's why she shall be displayed naked.  Also, C/F decals are 1/12 Hi-def from Scale Motorsport, and come highly recommended.  Hope you like Frankenbike.  Now on to the Duc Desmo.  Anybody got a good source for detail pics?  I need to know what parts get the c/f treatment.

Looks damn good to me!  Impressive job on the pain in the butt decals.  Sucks about the lower though.  PM me your email address and I'll shoot you some photos of the Ducati.  Everything is packed right now as I am moving on Wednesday, and I won't have internet back up until the following Monday.

Ha!...my bad...don't know why I assumed you were writing something about Rossi...maybe because I'm a little obsessed!

What I meant by matching colors was...say Gun Metal Gray by Tamiya being the same "shade" as the Testors...I guess I'll start from scratch...it's easier for me.

So, the Racing Blue is not accurate? but it is the closest, right?

This whole Modeling thing is becoming really complicated!....I love it!

I intend to start tomorrow with my M1....motor first.

 

Where can I get that Micro-Sol and Micro-Set stuff?

I was just looking at your Repsol Honda and it looks amazing from here! I can't believe what you went through to finish it, the Biaggi thing....I think you are right! lol

I'll post my build as I can...

Well, here it is- my '03 Nicky Hayden RC211V.  Kinda timely since he just won in Assen.  What's with that sponsor logo anyway?  A-Style?  Anybody else see what I see?  Anyway, this bike was a pain from day one.  It  started life as Biaggi's Pons Honda so I should have known there would be problems. It was my intent to show a late-season RC with the open pipes.  Then when I ordered the sprue from HLJ from the '03 Rossi Repsol, I saw it also had the late season fairings as well.  Remember that discussion?  Then when my Museum Nonsense decals arrived, I saw there was no way they were going to fit the longer fairings without some serious mods.  So it was early fairings and late pipes, but then the Museum Crap-olection decals self- destructed and it was back to HLJ for more parts.  This time the Tamiya Cartograf decals from the Rossi kit which would fit the late fairings had they not hit the inside retaining wall of my modeling room after the Misery Collection debacle.  So it is complete.  I noticed that the late pipes don't fit the early fairings as you can see in one of my pics- the rearmost under pipe is partially covered.  That's why she shall be displayed naked.  Also, C/F decals are 1/12 Hi-def from Scale Motorsport, and come highly recommended.  Hope you like Frankenbike.  Now on to the Duc Desmo.  Anybody got a good source for detail pics?  I need to know what parts get the c/f treatment.

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Racer,

 

I meant that I just finished reading Rossi's auto-bio entitled "What If I Had Never Tried It."  Pretty good read, although sometimes hard to follow since it's translated directly from Italian, and their way of putting things can be a bit confusing.  Rossi's kinda all over the place in the book, too.  Seems like him and his editor just sat down one weekend and wrote down whatever came to mind. 

I'm not sure what you mean with the Testor's paints.  I use a lot of Testor's along with Tamiya on mine.  I personally like Testor's  Model Master bottles for detail work since they're enamel (oil based) and seem to cover smoother.  I use the Tamiya acrylics when they have the exact color I'm going for, and also their sprays since the cans are usually very close to the real sponsor colors.  TS-64 for the Repsol Hondas looks close, but the TS-51 "Racing (formerly Telefonica) Blue" is called out for both the Gauloises M1 and Telefonica RC211V, when it's obvious in pictures and TV that they're diffrent shades of blue.  As far as the putty goes, I use Squadron green or white, but never on Tamiya's kits.  I just never needed to unless I made a mistake cutting parts from sprue and dug a chunk out of a part.  Some guys in this group fill the frames with putty from what I hear, but I'm not that advanced yet.  Will post my Hayden Mistakemobile in a few minutes.

Yamafreak72,

 

Thanks for the info and what's the deal with Rossi's autobiography you just finished? Are you a writer? done it just for fun?

Since you've builtan 04 M1...did you use CF on the inside of the fairings and tail section?....I think I've seen pix on this board...

Don't be so hard on yourself!..the 01 R1 is still a great bike....anything made on 2000 and on is way ahead of their time for us mortals...I race a 2000 R6 and my roomate an 05 and he still can't catch me on the straight away, corners like a dream and just like in GP races...sometimes I loose the front end and she picks herself up as if she knew it had to be done!...it blows me away, every time! sometimes I think that behind closed doors, japanese engineers, design these bikes breaking all the rules imposed by the system...I think they can't allow themselves to make bikes that can't really perform...

Anyway...I had one last question...I have a set of colors and glue and putty from the last time I built something but these are from 2003 and made by Testors (no idea if Tamiya and Testors colors match) Should I just discard it and go get new stuff?

 

Thank you

 

 

racer155 wrote:

Rossi is my favorite so, anything he's ridden I'd like to have, the NSR, the RC211Vs (all variations)   Where did you see that ZZ-RR?...I saw it at Laguna last year and it blew me away!!! plus I ride a 2005 ZX10R on the street....I'm interested in it....

I've done 4 of Rossi's rides so far- 3 RC211V's, and the '04 M1.  And I've still got the NSR 500 on the shelf in addition to another '04 M1 I just picked up last week.  The wife thinks I'm obsessed, especially since I also just finished his autobiography.

 

I think one of the other guys in the group here posted the ZZ-RR up WAAAAY back near the beginning of the build.  Either that, or back in the old days of the RC211V group build (shall it rest in peace).  I heard the '05 ZX-10 is a beast!  I've got an '01 R1 and that thing scares me occasionally, even being a 5- year old "obselete" sportbike.

Ok Dave, Now I'm confused Can't imagine why they just made one....

Cheers Rod, show us the plastics and then run off and fix some Fortuna decals!!! So, shush!!

/Joel

Hi group,

              talking about the M1, I have the new Edwards Laguna M1 on its way . I will take some pics of it and post so you can see the contents.

I am looking forward to doing this baby, may even do a build if I can get the motivation going    :-)

Cheers  Rod.

 

here is apic of instrutions

Hi Joel-those 3 bit's +part a-10 allgo together to make one disk.The one that looks like a full one is really just the center piece ,will take pic of intructions to show
Shayne

But isn't there one disc that is etched in one piece and one that has the center spokes in one and the disc itself in another part? Look at my Parkinson inspirated image below. It looks to me that part number 45 has to go with the one in the circle to the lower right (no 59?) Why they have chosen to split the two is out of my grip without the instructions, but sometimes one of the sides has extra parts to be mounted wich is easier acomplished with the parts separated. S27 most often just show the buildup of one part when you have to do two... But then again, I can be wrong.

/Joel

Sorry just seen this is my 100th post I will now hold a party all invited B.Y.O(bring your own)

joelrydh wrote:

What am I missing here? I definately see two sets of brake discs on that picture although one is in two pieces and one is mounted. But then again, I don't have the etch nor the instructions in my hand. /Joel

Joel they show how make one for one side the other one is the kit part,not much of a hassle but why did they only make enough for one ,why not two as any bike use's 2 disk brake one each side of wheel.For the price That we have to pay for the A/F parts you would think they would at least get all of they extra's not half of it if you get what I mean .Don't get me wrong not complaing to much just wish they would get it a bit better,I think someone else on AF had to get 2 sets as well,
annnywaaay
 Have started 2005 movistar bike and spidy bike with figure with a thread on AF
will put a link here for the one's that don't know AF,
Just remember I am a sloooooooooooow builder(6 months to fin a bike is not unheard of)bugger just remembered I have a bike here I started in jan(2005)still waiting to be decaled
Shayne

What am I missing here? I definately see two sets of brake discs on that picture although one is in two pieces and one is mounted. But then again, I don't have the etch nor the instructions in my hand.

/Joel

Wolpac have Pm my address thanks again
Shayne

shayne wright wrote:

Wolfpac -your the man let me know and will send address,may have something here you after-can I interst you in a full set of rossi Valencia decals even have a spare set of the M1 front fork detail set? Shayne

I had to do a little unpacking but I found it.  It is the lion roar photo etch set. 



I clipped off one side of the chain, the chain adjusters and a part to the clutch I believe (I still have those parts, they are just loose).  PM me your address and I will get them in the mail.

Erik

Wolfpac -your the man let me know and will send address,may have something here you after-can I interst you in a full set of rossi Valencia decals even have a spare set of the M1 front fork detail set?
Shayne

shayne wright wrote:

Is there a book entitled "Photo Etching for Dummies" Thanks!!!! Erik Wolfpac -I wish there was a book called "photo etching for dummies"as I'm crap at it as well,1st tried it on my Wesr Rcv and didn't use most of it as to fiddley so said never again .Now I'v got some St27 P/E for my spidey bike and thinking what have I done The only thing I can't work out is why is there only one front disk brake?????? why not do 2 as I'm quite sure most bike's have one each side and wife won't let me buy another set just for 1 disk brake Shayne

 

I think I may have a set that I attempted the chain on, got pissed off, picked up the red phone and order a full nuclear release.  I'll check in my spares and if I still have them I'll drop them in the mail for you.

archangel571 wrote:

With all the yapping I did I forgot to ask my own question. This maybe dumb but I really think I've been doing it wrong the whole time after it came up to my head this morning.  The lower cowlings of a gp bike or just anything other bike with full fairings, are they supposed to be two pieces joined from left and right so the seam on the very bottom of the bike should actually be there instead of being a single piece?  'cuz I've been sanding and filling mine...  I was thinking if it were one piece, how hard would it be for the crew to take the pieces off if emergency adjustment or repair is needed during the race.  I've only played around naked bike all my life (just 23 years)at my uncle's garage and never bothered looking hard enough at a superbike in person to notice that detail.

It's not a dumb question, but a really good one.  On most production based street bikes the lower cowel or fairing is actually two parts.  If I remember right my 01 ZX6r was two parts and I know for a fact my 03 CBR 600RR is two parts.  The design for this on street bikes is to allow for easier maintainence.  On most street bikes there is a hole cut ot for the headers on the lowers to allow better airflow (the only reason I can think).  On race bikes however it is the complete opposite.  The entire lower is one piece and completely solid.  The primary purpose of this design is to catch oil in case the filter should come off or the case covers develop a leak.  The last thing anyone on a race track wants is oil on the track, especially on two wheels riding in anger.

 

I hope this helps!

Erik

With all the yapping I did I forgot to ask my own question.

This maybe dumb but I really think I've been doing it wrong the whole time after it came up to my head this morning.  The lower cowlings of a gp bike or just anything other bike with full fairings, are they supposed to be two pieces joined from left and right so the seam on the very bottom of the bike should actually be there instead of being a single piece?  'cuz I've been sanding and filling mine...  I was thinking if it were one piece, how hard would it be for the crew to take the pieces off if emergency adjustment or repair is needed during the race.  I've only played around naked bike all my life (just 23 years)at my uncle's garage and never bothered looking hard enough at a superbike in person to notice that detail.

shayne wright wrote:

Is there a book entitled "Photo Etching for Dummies" Thanks!!!! Erik Wolfpac -I wish there was a book called "photo etching for dummies"as I'm crap at it as well,1st tried it on my Wesr Rcv and didn't use most of it as to fiddley so said never again .Now I'v got some St27 P/E for my spidey bike and thinking what have I done The only thing I can't work out is why is there only one front disk brake?????? why not do 2 as I'm quite sure most bike's have one each side and wife won't let me buy another set just for 1 disk brake Shayne

Hey that's weird... from this picture

http://www.iaiamedia.be/bestbalsakits/kitsDetail.asp?kitnumber=161

There really is just one, unless one tells me that you are not supposed to glue the top and bottom one together to give the proper thickness to the disc just like how they did the rear disc.  Maybe you can convince the wife to let you buy the lion roar set as it comes with chains as well as the brake discs so you will get your money worth?  =P

http://www.aftermarketarmor.com/product/LE12004

wolfpac wrote:

Is there a book entitled "Photo Etching for Dummies" Thanks!!!! Erik

I actually do have a textbook on photo etching and micro electronics manufacturing from back in college.  =P

Racer,

As far as the handling of PE parts, it really just comes down to experience and using the right tools.  I tend to use a lot of PE for tanks due to a major PE usage explosion in the past year, so I ended up getting that Etch-mate tool made by mission models to help bend the pieces.  I used to use a basic flat no tooth plier for smaller pieces but got an upgrade when the Tamiya specially designed PE plier came out half  a year ago.  Cutting PE parts with an X-acto knife also requires a hard glass or metal surface to avoid bending.  Some people tape up the part to avoid it flying across the room and land in several thousand sq ft of carpeting (in my case).  For me gluing them on is the hardest part since my finger are not CA cement friendly.  Usage of an angled fine tipped tweezer and a CA cement applier (toothpick will do as well or as long as the thin tip can at least still hold some cement) is recommended.  The whole steps goes like cut, bend, and attach.  You yourself have to fill in the blanks along the way of how to do them better, just like how you can never teach somebody airbrushing with basic pictures/text as opposed to a detailed video or in person.  If you want an photo illustrated procedure of those steps to at least give you a basic idea though, let us know and we will try to get something for you.

To emphasize what I mentioned before and what Erik had said as well, you really just gotta buy a set and try it out.  The end result will prove to you that those were the best 15 bucks you ever spent on that bike kit.

Is there a book entitled "Photo Etching for Dummies" Thanks!!!! Erik

Wolfpac -I wish there was a book called "photo etching for dummies"as I'm crap at it as well,1st tried it on my Wesr Rcv and didn't use most of it as to fiddley so said never again .Now I'v got some St27 P/E for my spidey bike and thinking what have I done
The only thing I can't work out is why is there only one front disk brake?????? why not do 2 as I'm quite sure most bike's have one each side and wife won't let me buy another set just for 1 disk brake
Shayne

racer155 wrote:

I forgot to ask you, what's the recomended CF size and type for the 04 M1? I'd like to order that so I can start building it... Thanks again,   Marcelo

1:20 SMS carbon fiber using template for the ram air box under the tank, and 1:12 SMS CF was used for the lower portion of the gas tank itself.  This will give you an idea as to the pattern size between the two.


This is a picture of Joel's NSR build which is a textbook example of using the screen method to paint CF (rear hugger fender)


Do not be afraid to look at any of the past photo's in this thread and ask these guys/gals how they did it.  From experience I can tell you they will be more than happy to help you out.

Hope this helps,
Erik

Racer,
PE stands for photo etch.  Parts such as brake rotors, chains, exhaust hangers, nuts, bolts, fasteners, rear sets, and other misc parts that are made from a metal (aluminum?) that more closely resemble the real 1:1 part.  They add a better sense of realism to the build. 

On my current M1 project I used the SMS M1 template which came in 1:20 scale.  I used the 1:20 for all the exterior parts and used the 1:12 scale for all of the inner fairings.  In hind site I should have used the 1:20 scale high def carbon fiber, I think it is more accurate than the 1:12 plain weave.  I agree with shayne that the 1:12 seems too large however, I think mixing up the CF patterns makes it "pop" a little better.  I have also read that people will cover the CF with a coat of smoke (X-19) and then shoot a coat of clear.  I plan on doing that on the next build to see how it works out for me.

Shayne,
Thank you for the kind words.  I really do not feel my builds are even in the same class as yours and many of the others in this GB (and forum for that matter).  It seems hard to convey across the internet on how to fix something that can be done better, as oppossed to showing someone how it is done (PE for example).  In all honesty this is a hobby that requires a lot of trial and error, and sometimes it's hard for me to maintain the patience to get it right.  I am grateful for this forum and those on it, as they have shown the basic tips and tricks to make things look better (seam filling for example).  Is there a book entitled "Photo Etching for Dummies"

Thanks!!!!
Erik

I would go for 1/24 scale c/f as I think 1/12 scale is to large for some bike's but that is just me ,Other guy's here may use the 1/12 scale not sure .
Shayne

I forgot to ask you, what's the recomended CF size and type for the 04 M1?

I'd like to order that so I can start building it...

Thanks again,

 

Marcelo

Thanks for your welcome msg, I agree with you....Moto GP is #1 but Isle of Mann TT is simply nuts!

I like anything on 2 wheels, that's my thing...MX, Road Racing, Super Moto, Choppers, bicycles (freestyle BMX, dirt, etc...)

I also checked the link you posted...pretty cool...all the links I've visited today were amazing!

 

Erik, back to your reply....what' PE? and how do I look up the hoses...I like what I've seen here, the green ones for brake lines on the M1...

 

Yamafreak72,

 

I also agree with you on the tobacco sponsor....though I personaly hate tobacco, it is what it is, you know?

I'll look into it, I'd like to have those decals instead of the Gooo!!!! ones....

Scale Motorsports is sick!...

I think I'm going to start buying models as often as I can...just to have them...so far I only have 3 so I'm way behind on the collector's schedule....My goal is to build a collection like the one that guy from Kaz Models, I like the whole "team" thing and by season....Yamaha M1 #46 and #5....in blue, Laguna colors, Valencia colors and testing colors....for example....I'm a freak like that...sorry.

Rossi is my favorite so, anything he's ridden I'd like to have, the NSR, the RC211Vs (all variations)

I realize it'll take me  a long time to achieve this, that's why I want to buy them as often as I can...so I can motivate myself even more!

Where did you see that ZZ-RR?...I saw it at Laguna last year and it blew me away!!! plus I ride a 2005 ZX10R on the street....I'm interested in it....

Well, I must admit you guys got me hooked...never thought there was a forum like this....

 

See you soon,

 

Marcelo #155

welcome ,I'm the same ,though any bike road race is for me moto gp is tops then next come the isle of mann TT those guys are nuts.
Go to Max Moto and you will find his how to on his bike's that he has built
www.motomodeling.com
Wolfpac selling yourself short there arn't you your builds are some of the best i'v seen
Shayne