MiG Killers Group Build, 7/07 to 6/08

Mist086, the best thing you could do is take the generic sidewinders and throw them away.  They don't look any thing like any AIM-9.  The shape of the forward wings are all wrong as well as the rear wings.  Get some correct missiles from another kit or buy the Hasagawa weapons kit that contains air to air missiles. 

The F-8 usually carried AIM-9B's which were painted gloss white all over.  Just behind the forward fins was a yellow stripe, just forward of the fuse.  Another yellow stripe was behind the fuse.  Those were the only stripes carried on the AIM-9B.   If you are adding AIM-9D's, which was carried late in the F-8's life, they would be painted the same as AMM's.   

Mist086 wrote:

Were the heads white as well?  I'm gonna have to go with these AIM's tho.  School is starting and having 4 in school has put a crimp in my wallet.

Yes.  Gloss white all over, except for the rollerons which was brass colored.

Air Master Modeler wrote:

berny13 wrote: You need to use a very dark blue, such as royal blue.  The lens should be a darker color of blue/violet. Berny, Thanks! Your knowlege of the Phantom is awesome and I always enjoy your advice. OK guys... The Almighty Guru and Omnipotent Ali Babba of Phabulous Phantoms has spoken! Get those seeker heads tinted! That's an ORDER!

Glad I was able to help.  I have seen many AIM-9 missiles loaded on many type of aircraft in my 26 years in the USAF.  It does seem lately that when you get your baloon blown up, I come by with a pin and burst it.  I hope you don't mind the criticism or the comments.  I am just trying to be helpful, and to help members build an accurate looking model that doesn't look like a toy. 

berny13 wrote:

Air Master Modeler wrote:  berny13 wrote: You need to use a very dark blue, such as royal blue.  The lens should be a darker color of blue/violet. Berny, Thanks! Your knowlege of the Phantom is awesome and I always enjoy your advice. OK guys... The Almighty Guru and Omnipotent Ali Babba of Phabulous Phantoms has spoken! Get those seeker heads tinted! That's an ORDER!   Glad I was able to help.  I have seen many AIM-9 missiles loaded on many type of aircraft in my 26 years in the USAF.  It does seem lately that when you get your baloon blown up, I come by with a pin and burst it.  I hope you don't mind the criticism or the comments.  I am just trying to be helpful, and to help members build an accurate looking model that doesn't look like a toy.

Berny,

No baloons bursted here. Your advice and criticisms are always right on the money. I am glad your here advising us and I hope you will continue and the other guys will seek you out for advice. Your advice and comments are always polite and courteous and you never come off rude like I have seen some people here do. I always look forward to your advice and will continue to do so!

Now on another note I got the Revell 1/48 F-4J (1979 release) today and the only things I say that are good about it is... I will be buying a motherlode of AM for it! Yes, it really lacks a lot of detail the Monogram kit has. Far off par with offerings Hasegawa or Tamiya has. It does have the raised detail panel line but fastener/rivet detail are not present, a Mike Grant: fastener/ rivet decal sheet can be used instead. Cockpit detail only comes as decals, a PE set will be needed here. On the good side it has is that it will certainly be a good model to practice improving my skills on.  

Yes, I ADMIT IT, Joe was right!

Group builds start whenever someone gets an inspiration and decides to start one.  They do seem to come along in groups.

Darwin, O.F.

semibold wrote:

hey guys i am new to the forum and hope this isn't a stupid question, but when will a new group build start? there seems to be so many already in progress and i would be so far behind if i tried to join one. is there any kind of schedule?

Semi,

There is no real schedule. Most GB's last for up to a year such as ours here. You may join at anytime durring. Some members start open GB which means they are ongoing and never end. There is plenty of time to find a GB you like and join it. If your interested in my GB by all means JOIN US, we are always taking on new participants at any time durring the duration.

Hey Semi, go ahead and join in with us. We will show you the roaps and answer any questions you might have about GB's .

Rand, I will dig out the wheels tomorrow and photo them for you.

Steve

Berny, I for one feel lucky that you have been providing us with your expertise.

I haven't been getting much done lately on my Phantom.  I added some wiring to the pit with some solder.

Test fitting the flaps doesn't look right.  I'm going to position them in the extended position as it the monster would be sitting on the tarmack before a mission.  The flaps look like too shallow an angle.  I was thinking I'd simply cut off the mounting tabs and reposition them.  What do you guys think? 

Semper Fi,

Chris

Chris,

Check your big book... Great Book Of Modern Warplanes, the flap angle looks right to me going by the pictures I see in my big book, Look at the picture of Oyster 03 in the Phantom in Combat chapter, shows Capt. Ritchie's F-4D with flaps down at same angle. I wouldn't change it but let's see what Berny says.

Thanks Steve, I'll be looking for the picture and will let you know if I can use them.

semibold wrote:

thanks guys, i'll hit hobbytown this weekend and see if i can dig up a nice f-4 kit.

Semi, Aboard!

When you get your kit post here what brand and scale the kit will be so I can get you on the list. Also go to first page on this thread and get your badge and post it to your profile siganature to let everyone know your a participant if you like. To post images or pictures you need to get a free storage acct, with photobucket.com or other free storage service.

ilovef-4 wrote:

Hey Berny, Question about AIM-9J/N's for you. What color are the strips on these Aim-9 Sidewinder missiles? I can't post pics at work (DOD) or at home until I get my laptop back online!

The AIM-9J and AIM-9J-1 had a yellow (FS 33538) band directly behind the seaker head, forward of the warhead.  Another yellow stripe was located behind the warhead just forward of the fuse.  Directly behind the fuse was a black stripe.  The AIM-9N was a export version with less capability.  Following the N was the AIM-9P, AIM-9P-2/P-3/P-4/& P-5, which had identical markings.  The export version of the P series had unpainted seaker heads but all the USAF versions were all gloss white.

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ridleusmc wrote:

Berny, I for one feel lucky that you have been providing us with your expertise. I haven't been getting much done lately on my Phantom.  I added some wiring to the pit with some solder. Test fitting the flaps doesn't look right.  I'm going to position them in the extended position as it the monster would be sitting on the tarmack before a mission.  The flaps look like too shallow an angle.  I was thinking I'd simply cut off the mounting tabs and reposition them.  What do you guys think?  Semper Fi, Chris

What you are calling flaps are actually ailerons.  They can be positioned at any degree down and do not have to match.  You can show one full down and one half down.  Do not show any of them up as they were limited to +2 degrees up travel.  Anything above that than the spoilers on the wing would go up.  Static, the spoilers would be down and any amount of droop for the ailerons. 

Paint the deck behind the rear cockpit flat black.  The area behind the seats were gray and both center and rear decks were black.

Great, that bit of info frees me to find an angle which looks best.  Thanks guys.

Semper Fi,

Chris

Hey Rand, I have searched everywhere and have not found the wheels yet. I will continue to look and let you know if I find them.

Steve

IT LIVES!!!!

My Monogram F-4J has survived canopy transplant surgery! Thanks to Eddie Miller who donated a spare canopy after his Monogram F-4J met an untimely death with a saw. (Although I am pretty sure it was harvested for experimental parts in his Mad Modelers Lab.) Dr. A.M. spent 6 hours at the bench and the surgery was a sucess. The F-4J is recovering and resting comfortably on the work bench and is expected to make a full recovery. 

Comments welcome.

Post Surgery Pictures below.

There should be goulish laughter and lightning flashing right now. Glad to see your project hitting on all eight again, Rand. Got the fuselage glued together tonight, will have to fill the seams later, then join the wings and intakes to it. I was reading a little on the crew for this Phantom, and didn't realize Jack Ensch was eventually shot down some months later (I believe it was a SAM) and was taken as a POW until the end of hostilities. These men are true heroes.

Glenn

Mist086 wrote:

Got the left side and the wings decaled and the canopy painted and futured.  One thing i encountered.  Has anyone else seen Testor's gloss coat turn yellow?  It might be old, but i noticed it and quickly got it off before it set.  It was weird.  Will post pics soon

Mist,

 How old is the can of Testors Gloss Coat? If it's old this may be why it turned yellow, throw it away. Give the model a good coat of Future instead then spray it with light coats of Krylon Clear Matte. I refuse to use any Testors clear coat sprays. I have seen this happen and have also had it attack the paint even after spraying Testors clear gloss.

There's not a whole lot to update at the moment.  The Phantom is assembled and masked.  Some of the ordinance, landing gear and loose panels have been primed.  It should be getting its colors sometime by the weekend if not earlier.  I'd post pics but batteries take a while to charge. 

Semper Fi,

Chris

ridleusmc wrote:

There's not a whole lot to update at the moment.  The Phantom is assembled and masked.  Some of the ordinance, landing gear and loose panels have been primed.  It should be getting its colors sometime by the weekend if not earlier.  I'd post pics but batteries take a while to charge.  Semper Fi, Chris

Chris, I think its going to come down to a battle of who finishes first between you and me. I have my bird airbrushed as of this morning and I will be detail painting later today. I am still waiting on the MK-20 Rockeye's Chopperfan is sending so I think your going to finish before I do. I think either way you and I are gonna have two Bad A Phantoms.

Lock and Load Bro!

That's exactly what i did Rand.  Tossed the bunch and went with future.  Here is my update:  I am going into the weathering stage, then i'll start assembly.  I know it's not historically accurate, but i like the way the missiles look painted, so I'm gonna go with that.  As always let me know.  I'm still learning and usually try soemthing new with each model i complete

Air Master Modeler wrote:

ridleusmc wrote: There's not a whole lot to update at the moment.  The Phantom is assembled and masked.  Some of the ordinance, landing gear and loose panels have been primed.  It should be getting its colors sometime by the weekend if not earlier.  I'd post pics but batteries take a while to charge.  Semper Fi, Chris Chris, I think its going to come down to a battle of who finishes first between you and me. I have my bird airbrushed as of this morning and I will be detail painting later today. I am still waiting on the MK-20 Rockeye's Chopperfan is sending so I think your going to finish before I do. I think either way you and I are gonna have two Bad A Phantoms. Lock and Load Bro!

You have the race.  It'll take me a while to even get it prepped.  Then there's primer.  Why do I always run out of primer.  Tonight I'll be working on troubled seams here and there.  

Mist, I love the Crusader.

Semper Fi,

Chris