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SPG that's a little different for me. The Bronco 5t "Diana"

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Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:59 PM

You should know by now that i'm not normalWink

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:38 PM

Nice! I really like it. Especially next to the panzerjager.

-Will young modeler Test fit master
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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:37 PM

That's what I like about people saying what's on their minds Bill.Yes I look at my builds everyday and it's kinda like not being able to see the forrest for the trees.

With all the really nice Diana models on the net having the well used up look that's so popular i've been working on ideas that will give mine a little something extra to show armor doesn't have to look like a refugee from a junk yard to have eye appeal.

The net is cut to cover the fighting compartment and I just laid it there to get some sort of idea for visual impact.

Still thinking about the diorama and these sets came today:

This was shipped yesterday from Lucky Models:

You should know by now that i'm not normalWink

Thanks for your wisdom my friend

Tony lee

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:06 PM

Uh oh...updates are starting to slow down...might have to send a team to investigate! Wink Looking good as always Tony but have to admit I'm a little on the fence in terms of the netting roll but can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe because it doesn't look like it's secured to anything (i.e. straps or ties?). That combined with the fact that it doesn't look big enough to cover the area of the hoops maybe? Could just be the angle that's producing that but it just seems a bit off if you know what I mean?

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:51 PM

Thanks MikeYes

Later my friend

Tony lee

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Posted by redleg12 on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 6:59 PM

Nice camo net roll.....looking very nice

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:37 PM

Update time

Thanks

Tony lee

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, October 8, 2011 6:25 PM

Tony, it looks beautiful, don't have anything else to add you know I love your work.

Terry.

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, October 7, 2011 1:45 PM

They do look nice sitting next to each other...especially since you have them in the same Tropen scheme. I say go for it! Beer Oh and nice touch on the elephant marking as well. Wink

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, October 7, 2011 12:34 PM

Coffee?  Maybe Tea?  Oh, that's for our British folks. looking great as usual!  I think you should put them together on same base to show how small Pzjager and how huge Diana were...

 

Andy

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, October 7, 2011 12:20 PM

While sippin on a cup of coffee this morning I had a thought:

Have a good one today

Tony lee

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Posted by p38jl on Friday, October 7, 2011 10:48 AM

Pvt Mutt

I was looking over my photo refs the other day and noticed the elephant on the right fender:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l57/PvtMutt/sdkfz6-diana-1-1.jpg

I went through my extra decals but found no elephant so I put out the word and a friend on another site said he had one that he didn't use for a Tiger tank. It was only the outline of one but I figured I could take some white paint and fill it in.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l57/PvtMutt/100_1074.jpg

It's not the same elephant but close enough for me.Big Smile

It's Friday

Tony lee

 

ToastYes Sweet.. ! I love that extra touch !

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, October 7, 2011 10:32 AM

Marc I glue it to the bench every night before I go to bed just in case.Big Smile

Glad you like it guy

Thanks

Tony lee

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, October 7, 2011 10:26 AM

I was looking over my photo refs the other day and noticed the elephant on the right fender:

I went through my extra decals but found no elephant so I put out the word and a friend on another site said he had one that he didn't use for a Tiger tank. It was only the outline of one but I figured I could take some white paint and fill it in.

It's not the same elephant but close enough for me.Big Smile

It's Friday

Tony lee

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, October 7, 2011 6:40 AM

Tony

Tony

Tony

Crap, it didn't work.  I was hoping if I said your name 3 times like in that horror movie your model would appear here.  I guess I'll just have to enjoy looking at it in the forum.

 

And oh yeah... what Doog said!

Marc  

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, October 7, 2011 5:13 AM

I will third that vote on the extra parts

Tony.....don't use prone and anal in the same sentence....thatssounds like being carful when you drop soap in a shower Indifferent.      I have a tendancy.....un huh     at times.....more than most    aspires to.....more like worship      BUT being prone....thats a position in a sentence with anal that is not PC for the forum Wink

Attention to detail..... that's my motto and yours!

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:52 PM

Yep I bet they are too. Good to have extras huh

Tony leeSmile

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:36 PM

If I had to lay a bet, I'd say those 2nd set of rods are hold-overs from the Bronco original artillery piece kit molds/sprues and were likely designed to be mounted on one of the trail arms.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:23 PM

Nope,there is nothing in the instructions about using those in the last shot.

Now don't you go upsetting Redleg, he's anal prone Bill.Big Smile

I got down when Mike said that.

Tony lee

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:44 PM

Tony,

A short follow-up...are both sets (the one on the back as well as the one in your most recent post) meant to be mounted on the vehicle or only the one set on the rear?

Mike,

The two rods would be joined together to make a single stake (only one end is "spiked"), so the division as Tony has it painted would make sense in terms of creating four even divisions for the full stake.

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Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, October 6, 2011 3:41 PM

wbill76

Mike,

To answer your question, the Germans used the same "candy stripe" pattern on their aiming stakes for artillery in WW2. I'm not 100% sure that Bronco got it right (or wrong) because the Germans had the aiming stakes do double duty as cleaning rods on other vehicles such as the Wespe...after all, it's just a matter of painting the rods you already have so you don't have to carry a 2nd set and is efficient when you come right down to it. I thought Tony was saying though that the kit included a 2nd set of rods that are the cleaning rods unless I misunderstood?

The real irony here of course is that they are in fact Russian cleaning rods/aiming stakes pressed into service right along with the gun. That's why I asked my original question...the same rods are seen on the Marder III but not candy-striped as the Marder III was a direct-fire only weapon. Given that the Diana plopped the whole gun onto the modified halftrack chassis, it stands to reason that the indirect fire capability remained along with it (even if never used) so the rods it would be equipped with would also be striped to perform the aiming stake duty.

Bill

Looking at the photos it appears the gun has a panoramic telescope on the right side. These are typically used for indrect fire as opposed to an elbow telescope for direct fire though the pantel can be used for both. My guess is the weapon is set up to function as both.

The aiming stakes have the candy cane pattern on them to make it eaiser to pick up in the pantel sight at a distance. I am not sure of the size of the German or Russian candy cane. I am sure it is not much differnt than the US. You can look here

http://www.redleg2scale.com/RBMI%20Info/Artillery%20Modeling.pdf

on page 26 to see the US aiming posts and pattern. Also Archer just came out with a decal for aiming stakes, though I think it is just simpler to paint it.

As for the ammo. I am sure two of them are HE and AP (High Explosive and Armor Piercing) the other could be shot, smoke or WP. Look at the above link on the ammo section and it may give some ideas. If there are different types of rounds, they would be marked and painted differently also.....but that is another discussion.

Let us not digress....very nice work Tony...sorry to get so anal in your thread

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, October 6, 2011 2:02 PM

Hey Bill you didn't misunderstand,here's the other set that came with the kit.

Also the ammo crates have three different types of shells in each too. Never heard of that before??????

One of the photos in Rommels Funnies shows the rods on the rear and at the angle it's hard to tell but they appear to only have the red and white division in the middle.

Tony lee

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:09 PM

Mike,

To answer your question, the Germans used the same "candy stripe" pattern on their aiming stakes for artillery in WW2. I'm not 100% sure that Bronco got it right (or wrong) because the Germans had the aiming stakes do double duty as cleaning rods on other vehicles such as the Wespe...after all, it's just a matter of painting the rods you already have so you don't have to carry a 2nd set and is efficient when you come right down to it. I thought Tony was saying though that the kit included a 2nd set of rods that are the cleaning rods unless I misunderstood?

The real irony here of course is that they are in fact Russian cleaning rods/aiming stakes pressed into service right along with the gun. That's why I asked my original question...the same rods are seen on the Marder III but not candy-striped as the Marder III was a direct-fire only weapon. Given that the Diana plopped the whole gun onto the modified halftrack chassis, it stands to reason that the indirect fire capability remained along with it (even if never used) so the rods it would be equipped with would also be striped to perform the aiming stake duty.

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:56 PM

Tony, looks fantastic!! Yes

-Will young modeler Test fit master
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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:10 PM

lol.. "  sweet " is one of the new "go-to"words for describing.. cool,., neat.. etc... Yes

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Thursday, October 6, 2011 11:59 AM

You know what, You guys are over the top.Yes

Karl,you got me my friend I can't follow up on that post,I don't know what to say.Crying

Andy,that's just me,rare these days I admit. I hear it takes less muscles to smile than frown.

P38 I read a lot of folks saying my project is "Sweet" which reminds me i'm going to need to borrow a cup of sugar to keep this up.Big Smile

Thanks folks and I hope to be around long enough to build many more you.

Tony lee

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:02 AM

deafpanzer

Ditto  Not just that... I also enjoy Tony's sense of humor too.  Always looking forward to his updates... Yes

2x Ditto.. humor is good...Yes

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Posted by deafpanzer on Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:39 AM

Ditto  Not just that... I also enjoy Tony's sense of humor too.  Always looking forward to his updates... Yes

Andy

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:09 AM

Tony, with utter sincerity, I have to say that you are the "quiet Master" here. Your low-key style is almost deceptive to the genuinely formidable skill you possess as a modeler.

This build once again shows that you have a style that leaves, in my opinion, no real room for criticism. I think that just about every one of your builds are just about perfect in their assembly, detailing, painting and weathering execution. I look at them and say "Yeah! I wouldn't' change a thing!"

Great job. GREAT model! Bow DownBow Down

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:05 AM

TOny.. that's looking sweet ! Love "stuff" on the shelves.Yes. speaking of Redneck stuff,, If ya was in Maine, you'd need a Uncle Henry's Buy it/Swap It magazine on the dash... and your Huntin' rifle in a rear window rack...Whistling

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