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Castles of Steel, 1880 - 1914 *Group Build* (pg 17)...

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Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:48 PM

YAAAY!! I am no longer the one man group build!!!!!!

Very nice work on the base fermis! Iplan on upgrading from the plastic one that is included with the kit but it probably won't be as in depth as yours! Cool to see that the design of the cruiser and the batteship is similiar. There is tons of bracing in that hull! Looking forward to your next update!

Another small update on the Chih. Got most of the stuff done on the forward deck. Only thing left to add is the compast post on the bridge and the navigation lights/brackets on each side of it. Still need to paint the rope/cables on the mast, but its not secured yet. Will probably be on of the last things that gets glued down to keep from breaking the durn thing.

 

Tags: Chih Yuen

Eric

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:03 PM

fermis

I use a 1" paddle bit to drill out a recess for the nuts.........hehe, I said nuts!!!

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/fermisb/2011/Chen%20Yuen/009.jpg?t=1316964613

Three brass pressure fittings slip over each bolt for the spindles.

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/fermisb/2011/Chen%20Yuen/010.jpg?t=1316964620

The fittings are removed for the rest of the build, and the bolts make a handy handle while painting.

Tis all for now.

I love your nuts and want to marry...ummmmmmmmmm---never mind.  Dude, great WIP on how to mount one of these MOJO's on a base...that hull looks wicked...looking forward to seeing the differences in yours and Jester's builds...Yes

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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:43 PM

My kit didn't come Friday or Saturday....

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:26 PM

bondoman

My kit didn't come Friday or Saturday....

Somethings going on with the mail right now it seems----maybe its on a slow boat from China...???Stick out tongue

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 26, 2011 7:08 AM

Jester75

YAAAY!! I am no longer the one man group build!!!!!!

Very nice work on the base fermis! Iplan on upgrading from the plastic one that is included with the kit but it probably won't be as in depth as yours! Cool to see that the design of the cruiser and the batteship is similiar. There is tons of bracing in that hull! Looking forward to your next update!

Another small update on the Chih. Got most of the stuff done on the forward deck. Only thing left to add is the compast post on the bridge and the navigation lights/brackets on each side of it. Still need to paint the rope/cables on the mast, but its not secured yet. Will probably be on of the last things that gets glued down to keep from breaking the durn thing.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/Jester75/Chih%20Yuen/20110925_4.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/Jester75/Chih%20Yuen/20110925_3.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/Jester75/Chih%20Yuen/20110925_5.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/Jester75/Chih%20Yuen/20110925_2.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/Jester75/Chih%20Yuen/20110925_1.jpg

 

Colors look great, Jester...don't forget to paint that rigging on the yellow yard-arm!!!  I also wonder if the inside of the crow's nest would have been yellow as well?  She looks very nice...You going to use the kit base?

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, September 26, 2011 7:23 AM

fermis

I use a 1" paddle bit to drill out a recess for the nuts.........hehe, I said nuts!!!

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/fermisb/2011/Chen%20Yuen/009.jpg?t=1316964613

Three brass pressure fittings slip over each bolt for the spindles.

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/fermisb/2011/Chen%20Yuen/010.jpg?t=1316964620

The fittings are removed for the rest of the build, and the bolts make a handy handle while painting.

Tis all for now.

Hey fermis, I can see your nuts! Nice touch showing the whole mounting process, Yes

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 26, 2011 7:59 AM

VanceCrozier

 

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/fermisb/2011/Chen%20Yuen/010.jpg?t=1316964620

 

Check out that wicked looking hull !!!  Is that a battering ram???

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, September 26, 2011 8:18 AM

Manstein's revenge

 

 VanceCrozier:

 

 

 

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/fermisb/2011/Chen%20Yuen/010.jpg?t=1316964620

 

 

 

Check out that wicked looking hull !!!  Is that a battering ram???

 

I would say.......

...yes..............

http://www.cityofart.net/bship/hms_rams.html#hero

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Posted by p38jl on Monday, September 26, 2011 9:13 AM

humm.. no comment on the mounting comments...Whistling

Fermis.. nice set up..!

umm.. I went digging thru my stash looking for my Olympia...FTL.. !!! ( Failure to Locate )...Smile Dots

aaaaaaahhh.... hummmm..

might have to dig out the mining helmet...!!!!Indifferent

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Posted by waynec on Monday, September 26, 2011 9:27 AM

very nice. i do just the opposite. i countersink the holes underneath the base and run the bolt through the base into the hull and CA the nut inside the hull. i don't drill a hole in the deck. i have a friend who made me a nice case for my MAS boat, probably better than the model which i am still working on.

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Posted by fermis on Monday, September 26, 2011 10:28 AM

waynec

very nice. i do just the opposite. i countersink the holes underneath the base and run the bolt through the base into the hull and CA the nut inside the hull. i don't drill a hole in the deck. i have a friend who made me a nice case for my MAS boat, probably better than the model which i am still working on.

 I definitely contemplated going that route as well.......figured it to be about 6 of one, half dozen of the other.With having the bolts through the hull, I can keep it on the base while working on it, less chance of scuffing the hull that way.

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, September 26, 2011 10:59 AM

I do it like Fermis. But I always build on a temporary base and only switch to oak at the start of rigging,

I also put vinyl pads on the corners, which makes it easier to pick up.

Nice looking display. I'm a little worried that the bulkheads look kind of thick, but there's no pictures I can find to compare to.

I read the chapter in Wright's "The Chinese Steam Navy 1862-1945" regarding the Sino-French War of 1884-5. The Ting Yuen was still in Germany at that time and was not allowed to sail for China. The Chih and Chin Yuens were ordered immediately following.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, September 26, 2011 2:19 PM

Manstein's revenge
Dude, great WIP on how to mount one of these MOJO's on a base

For flatter hulls like this, I like using the short Molly bolts.  You need to shim the inside of the hull (not a bad idea, anyway) to pad the thickness.  Take the Molly (you want to get the kind for 1/4" thick material) and bend the "ears" flat (since they will not "bite" into the hull--don't ask me how I know).

Then, drill a hole to pass the bolt, then tighten it down until it sets.   

You now have as many threaded attachments through the hull as you could ask for.  And, in common machine threading, too. 

Which is handy, as you can use all-thread to fasten to a building board, and save the "pretty" spindles (and base) for later.

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, September 26, 2011 11:30 PM

The model came today, along with the KA wood deck.

First impression is that it is a small ship. I checked the dimensions and it's close enough, since it would be hard to say what the actual length is without access to drawings.

The plastic is matte finish which seems fine to me.

The deck is kind of so-so, I don't like wood decks much but this seemed to be a good subject for one so I'll see later.

The main guns are nice, but look like really big Napoleanic cannons, a little too old.

I searched around for a picture of Krupp 305mm guns and found this:

which the ship guns look nothing like.

The next thing I looked at were the little parts. I have never met a set of plastic boat davits that I liked until now.

They are tiny, but have a channel cast into each side. Truly worth using.

This will be a nice project, the detail is ok in the kit and needs as much help as it can get.

I am going to build the post Sino-French war version, circa 1885. That makes it the oldest iron ship in my collection.

The spars need to go. Mostly kind of plastic rods. Once I know what I need I'll look at blue jacket and places like that for good looking yards.

The torpedo boats have these very nice little armored cupolas with vision slots. A great piece of casting.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:24 AM

bondoman

The model came today, along with the KA wood deck.

First impression is that it is a small ship. I checked the dimensions and it's close enough, since it would be hard to say what the actual length is without access to drawings.

The plastic is matte finish which seems fine to me.

The deck is kind of so-so, I don't like wood decks much but this seemed to be a good subject for one so I'll see later.

The main guns are nice, but look like really big Napoleanic cannons, a little too old.

I searched around for a picture of Krupp 305mm guns and found this:

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm150/6134rdm/smskpr_rudolf_gun.jpg which the ship guns look nothing like.

The next thing I looked at were the little parts. I have never met a set of plastic boat davits that I liked until now.

They are tiny, but have a channel cast into each side. Truly worth using.

This will be a nice project, the detail is ok in the kit and needs as much help as it can get.

I am going to build the post Sino-French war version, circa 1885. That makes it the oldest iron ship in my collection.

The spars need to go. Mostly kind of plastic rods. Once I know what I need I'll look at blue jacket and places like that for good looking yards.

The torpedo boats have these very nice little armored cupolas with vision slots. A great piece of casting.

Very good.  Now you can quit complaining about not having one and get to work on this MOJO...

...this has got to be one of the most interesting GB's I've seen in maybe--forever...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:40 AM

bondoman

The main guns are nice, but look like really big Napoleanic cannons, a little too old.

I searched around for a picture of Krupp 305mm guns and found this:

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm150/6134rdm/smskpr_rudolf_gun.jpg which the ship guns look nothing like.

The torpedo boats have these very nice little armored cupolas with vision slots. A great piece of casting.

I dunno, I think the basic shapes are close...difficult to tell with that angle...

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MK1-1-350-TING-YUEN-Wooden-Deck-Bronco-MD35020-/00/$(KGrHqV,!hEE2f02p32KBN5hsn0(7Q~~_3.JPG

Seems that the breeches bulge out like the fat end of a bowling pin in the real pic and the WIP pic...Agree about those torpedo boats---steam-punk molding at its best.  What about the life-boat detail and PE, like 'em?

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:53 AM

http://www.360cities.net/image/weihai-dingyuan-ship-1-panorado-6-shandong#706.21,-25.90,70.0

Good pictures of a number of things.

Here's a colorful account of the Battle of the Yalu.

http://sinojapanesewar.com/yalu.htm

 

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Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:37 AM

Damn, those are some cool panaramics bondo, thanks for posting them!

Eric

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:35 AM

Jester75

Damn, those are some cool panaramics bondo, thanks for posting them!

Ditto

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, September 30, 2011 1:13 AM

Found quite by chance, BTW.

The fun begins, with the construction of the hull.No major issues, the bilge keels fit well and that vertical stem is fun. More or less as usual, the torpedo tubes are not evident and it'll take a bit to figure out where they are. Anyone know?

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Posted by waynec on Friday, September 30, 2011 11:04 AM

so are we now an official group built with "rules" etal? i'm finishing up a bunch of stuff so i can clear my work tables and at least one shelf of partial builds. are we going to have a thread in the group build forum?

we are probably the largest group of folks who knows more about the sino-japanese war (or have even heard about it) in the westen hemisphere.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 30, 2011 12:41 PM

waynec

so are we now an official group built with "rules" etal? i'm finishing up a bunch of stuff so i can clear my work tables and at least one shelf of partial builds. are we going to have a thread in the group build forum?

we are probably the largest group of folks who knows more about the sino-japanese war (or have even heard about it) in the westen hemisphere.

Yes, the still waters of the SHIPS Forum could use a little activity, and besides we have three WIPs in here already...GB runs through March 31st of next year...

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, October 1, 2011 3:02 AM

Managed to get in most of the day yesterday.....more frickin rain!!! I should be building an ark. Got the hulls painted up and decks in place.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:10 AM

fermis

Managed to get in most of the day yesterday.....more frickin rain!!! I should be building an ark. Got the hulls painted up and decks in place.

 

 

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/fermisb/2011/Chen%20Yuen/003-1.jpg?t=1317455680

 

Wow----looking good, Fermis.  Looks like you are pulling a double and doing both the Crusier and the Battleship!!! Yes That wooden deck loos very sweet.  Any issues with it?  How did you affix it, CA?

Bondo, if you look at the front hull of the Crusier you can see what appears to be a torpedo tube extending out...not sure about the Battleship location(s) however...

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Posted by fermis on Sunday, October 2, 2011 10:42 AM

Manstein's revenge

That wooden deck loos very sweet.  Any issues with it?  How did you affix it, CA?

 

 It is self adhesive. No real problems. Some spots are just a touch long (main deck, fore and aft) and needed to be trimmed (1/2mm at most, pretty close!). The hardest part about it is getting the backing sheet off the adhesive. Pretty easy stufff!

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Posted by waynec on Sunday, October 2, 2011 1:41 PM

excellent. my TING YUEN from luckymodels came in yesterday. i wasn't in a hurry and the price was good. now i have all 4 plus a spare CHIH YUEN which i will probably do first. not sure what i am doing but leaning toward a BORODINO w/ gmm pe. won't start until end of october as i ahve some ships to finish up for my club show in mid-october.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 3, 2011 6:27 AM

waynec

excellent. my TING YUEN from luckymodels came in yesterday. i wasn't in a hurry and the price was good. now i have all 4 plus a spare CHIH YUEN which i will probably do first. not sure what i am doing but leaning toward a BORODINO w/ gmm pe. won't start until end of october as i ahve some ships to finish up for my club show in mid-october.

Sounds good----get to work...

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Posted by p38jl on Monday, October 3, 2011 7:49 AM

Fermis.. thats looking good ..Yes

 

meantime.. I gotta dig thru the stash again to find my kit ! grrr...Bang Head

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 8:09 AM

p38jl

 

meantime.. I gotta dig thru the stash again to find my kit ! grrr...Bang Head

Dig, man---dig!!!!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 8:15 AM

Manstein's revenge

 

 p38jl:

 

 

meantime.. I gotta dig thru the stash again to find my kit ! grrr...Bang Head

 

Dig, man---dig!!!!

 

Can ya dig it man?!

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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