Castles of Steel, 1880 - 1914 *Group Build* (pg 17)...

VanceCrozier

Manstein's revenge:

 

p38jl:

 

 

meantime.. I gotta dig thru the stash again to find my kit ! grrr...

 

Dig, man---dig!!!!

 

 

Can ya dig it man?!

What's going on in here?

Archaeology.

aah... success.. found my Olympia.. its a Lindburg.. ! does anyone know if the Revell kit is the same one ?  the one I have is the Lindburg Classic Replica Series.. 1/240 scale. I might order some PE for it..

p38jl

aah... success.. found my Olympia.. its a Lindburg.. ! does anyone know if the Revell kit is the same one ?  the one I have is the Lindburg Classic Replica Series.. 1/240 scale. I might order some PE for it..

It's not a very good kit, but well worth building as in this category we are all grateful for most anything. The Revell kit is a different kit, a better kit but also very expensive at $ 100 in it's current form.

Resin Olympia abounds of course, but resin is not allowed in this GB as a basic value.

It's going to take a while, but I think the US should be represented in the build more than once. So unless Divine Providence decides otherwise, I'll try the USS Oregon. According to Ship Modeler this kit (225 scale) was first built by Ideal Toy in the 50s which meant it was out there when I first modeled. (Probably cost more than .69, so I couldn't afford it.) Ship Modeler has a few examples and it gets good grades considering its age. As you can see below, it matches the size of my nearly complete 350 scale ICM Konig. I didn't want to break into the sprues yet, but the few parts that were out look better than I expected. And here's what's sweet - this model may need sweat on every part, but there are only about 100 of them. Konig was a poor excuse of a kit and I've had to fight through 500. (Not sure there was a really clean fit in the kit. Really reminds me of a Soviet era fighter I built that was beyond crude - although, I'll grant the shape looked pretty good.)There are PE sets out there for $50. Think I'll skip them and use this kit (which cost me $20) for some serious scratch building. It's a skill I'd like to get the hang of and that's probably best done by doing. At least the plastic doesn't feel like Soviet era soap. But what color scheme? It's tempting to go with white, although I wouldn't have a clue as how to weather it. I've also got Mikasa. Tsushima was played for higher stakes than Santiago, but the American victory there was very pregnant with history. So I think Oregon will get grey warpaint (still be lots of wood) and we'll give Mikasa that neat black peacetime look. Or maybe not.

P38: Maybe you want to think this over, but as I recall Tom's has PE that covers both Olympia and Oregon in one set. Maybe we could split the cost. With Mikasa, Varyag, Ting Yuen and Emden already in the stash, and Dreadnought beckoning, I may pass on Olympia.

Eric

Yes a PE pool would be a good thing. Your battleship looks good BTW.

I do not know, but it is significant: why USN ships are so poorly represented in the plastic pre dreadnaught era.

One subject that qualified, and is produced for the reason that it is a shrine, is of course the BB39 Arizona. In 1941 she was a "super dreadnaught" but backdated closer to her launch date she certainly represents WW1 technology.

But that's it.

Konig: the kit from hell. When I'm done with that I will be a happy boy.

For a while some shops announced pre-orders for the Olympia. I'm not sure I'd call Manila Bay a "battle" but it was history, and we've got the ship still with us. (Think this over: Olympia and Mikasa are available for tours: not one WWI vessel, in WWI garb, exists to my knowledge anywhere on planet earth.) And companies that make model ships will always be a mystery until someone puts out a new 350 scale CV-6. Enterprise was the most successful warship in world history and you have to go to the UK to find an old 700 scale Tamiya. Sigh. Or am I strange? I'd drop $200 on a new E without thinking a minute.

Eric

Thanks Bondo... for the info..

EB.. I'm going to order a PE set for my Olympia.. if I have left overs, we can deal.. prolly free.. I can't tell from the description if the set has enough for both, or it will just work for either..

I found barrels,,but their $46... ouch...

The Oregon looks cool. !

EBergerud

It's going to take a while, but I think the US should be represented in the build more than once. So unless Divine Providence decides otherwise, I'll try the USS Oregon. According to Ship Modeler this kit (225 scale) was first built by Ideal Toy in the 50s which meant it was out there when I first modeled. (Probably cost more than .69, so I couldn't afford it.) Ship Modeler has a few examples and it gets good grades considering its age.

Eric,

For what it might be worth, FSM ran an article in the September 2000 issue about building the Glencoe verison of the Oregon. And in July 1992, Bob converted the Oregon to the USS Massachusetts, including scratchbuilding a cage mast. I started one of these 20 years ago, got discouraged by the mutlipart deck that didn't fit, then lost parts in a move. Not sure what happened to it after that.

There's also a Mike Ashey article in the May 2001 issue about building ICM's Konig.

Cheers, Aaron

bondoman

One subject that qualified, and is produced for the reason that it is a shrine, is of course the BB39 Arizona. In 1941 she was a "super dreadnaught" but backdated closer to her launch date she certainly represents WW1 technology.

It may be a quibble, but technically she was already a super dreadnaught when launched, having oil-fired turbines and super-firing turrets, which were a post-dreadnaught feature.

Good stuff, guys-----this is the coolest GB since the Horton 229 one...

Wow...this thread slowed to a crawl...

p38jl

Thanks Bondo... for the info..

EB.. I'm going to order a PE set for my Olympia.. if I have left overs, we can deal.. prolly free.. I can't tell from the description if the set has enough for both, or it will just work for either..

I found barrels,,but their $46... ouch...

 

The Oregon looks cool. !

P38jl:

The Gold Metal Models set GMM2404 instructions state the etched brass kit provides parts for use on two ships:  both the USS Oregon and USS Olympia (Revell ) -

If you like lots of fiddly bits- this one is for you !

Manstein's revenge

Wow...this thread slowed to a crawl...

Maybe ships are slowing down to conserve coal while underway?

Happens when coaling stations aren't strategically placed around the Pacific Ocean.

Manstein's revenge

Wow...this thread slowed to a crawl...

Maybe everyone is in "build more/post less" mode? Not really a bad thing for a group build...

Sprue-ce Goose

p38jl:

Thanks Bondo... for the info..

EB.. I'm going to order a PE set for my Olympia.. if I have left overs, we can deal.. prolly free.. I can't tell from the description if the set has enough for both, or it will just work for either..

I found barrels,,but their $46... ouch...

 

The Oregon looks cool. !

 

P38jl:

The Gold Metal Models set GMM2404 instructions state the etched brass kit provides parts for use on two ships:  both the USS Oregon and USS Olympia (Revell ) -

If you like lots of fiddly bits- this one is for you !

 

Aren't they two different scales? 1/225 and 1/232? I guess that's close enough.

I havnt research the Revell one much... but at that scale, it prolly won't show.. I also .. IIRC.. the Barrels I found ,fit either ship also..

p38jl

 

Sprue-ce Goose:

 

 

p38jl:

Thanks Bondo... for the info..

EB.. I'm going to order a PE set for my Olympia.. if I have left overs, we can deal.. prolly free.. I can't tell from the description if the set has enough for both, or it will just work for either..

I found barrels,,but their $46... ouch...

 

The Oregon looks cool. !

 

 

P38jl:

The Gold Metal Models set GMM2404 instructions state the etched brass kit provides parts for use on two ships:  both the USS Oregon and USS Olympia (Revell ) -

If you like lots of fiddly bits- this one is for you !

 

 

ok, I just ordered a set ,,found on Ebay...  Spruce,, does the PE, set have enough for BOTH ships? or will it fit either, but NOT enough for both kits??

 

Had to re-read the instructions, but they do say the etched set has enough to outfit both the USS Oregon and USS Olympia.

Cool , eh ? 

bondoman

Aren't they two different scales? 1/225 and 1/232? I guess that's close enough.

The sheet brass holding the parts has the Revell or Glencoe names etched besides each part along with the part number and part description, for example:  Yardarm Footropes Glencoe Part 56

Like a dope I tried to find this thread in Group Builds. FSM does have quite a number of them. Know there's a Panzer III GB?

I was a little curious about the issue of combining PE for two kits the way someone has done for Olympia and Oregon. It actually says something about the period of this thread (group build). Olympia and Oregon had a "tale of the tape" that was much closer than I would have guessed. Oregon: 10,200 ST; 351 length; 68' beam. Olympia: 5,600 ST, 344' length, beam 53'. So Oregon is double the weight but most of that comes from armor and bigger guns. Fast forward a decade to Dreadnought: 18,000 LT, 527' length and 82' beam. Conversely cruisers (thanks to battlecruisers) actually shrink. Anyway, a PE maker might have taken his set and more or less doubled it. I admit that I'd like railings, but if there was a way to scratch build them, you might be able to figure it on a ship of that scale. I'm really going to take a look at building brass guns. There will be some time to burn after assembling 100 parts.

BTW: I was wrong. There is a WWI ship that is quite close to WWI rig. Cruiser HMS Caroline was commissioned in 1914 and decomissioned in 2011 having served as a training and then a headquarters ship since 1924. Her exact fate is unclear, but unless the UK goes broke she may be restored to WWI warpaint (not that hard because the engines and hull were never changed and the armament only slightly so) and brought to Plymouth. Pity the RN was asked to keep the pedal to the metal five years too long after VE day leading to bankruptcy. They weren't able to preserve a WWII era big ship. Belfast is in the Thames, but it should be Warspite or KGV. (Of course Arleigh Burke got the E junked just to piss off Halsey - or so goes the legend in the Enterprise Association. An informal promise was made to keep the E as a museum and put her in New York harbor. Now if you would have put examples of major WWII aircraft from all powers on board, think it would have drawn a crowd?)

Eric

EBergerud

BTW: I was wrong. There is a WWI ship that is quite close to WWI rig. Cruiser HMS Caroline was commissioned in 1914 and decomissioned in 2011 having served as a training and then a headquarters ship since 1924.  

Not even close to it.

From wiki:

HMS Victory is still in commission as the flagship of the Second Sea Lord in his role as Commander in Chief of the Royal Navy's Home Command (CINCNAVHOME). She is the oldest commissioned warship in the world, although the USS Constitution, launched 30 years later, is the oldest commissioned warship still afloat.

bondoman

Not even close to it.

From wiki:

HMS Victory is still in commission as the flagship of the Second Sea Lord in his role as Commander in Chief of the Royal Navy's Home Command (CINCNAVHOME). She is the oldest commissioned warship in the world, although the USS Constitution, launched 30 years later, is the oldest commissioned warship still afloat.

This thing has a LOT of tiny stuff on it!!! Haven't had much time, let alone to post. Anyway, I've been pluggin away on the "Chen". The worst, has been the railings......

Still got a ways to go, then I get to do it ALL again with the "Chih"!

fermis

This thing has a LOT of tiny stuff on it!!! Haven't had much time, let alone to post. Anyway, I've been pluggin away on the "Chen". The worst, has been the railings......

Still got a ways to go, then I get to do it ALL again with the "Chih"!

interesting pic w/ a KONIG sitting on the box. i have an OREGON in my stash and passed up buying one at high plains modelers contest today for $25. (did buy a 1/35 scud, sam2, and a chinese tank transporter and swapped an armored humvee for a chinese tank to put on it. also took a second w/ my sdkfz-222 afrika korps armored car).

have started BORODINO w/ gmm pe set and have VARYAG on the shelf.

waynec

have started BORODINO w/ gmm pe set and have VARYAG on the shelf.

you still taking victins?

Bill/bondoman doing the Revell SMS Emden? if not, I can do that one, with the GM PE. I think it fits the timeframe.