HMS victory build

finally got the nerve up to cut the hole for the main mast , I think it need's to be leaning back a bit more , any thought's welcomed . I also found this mast foot , I know it probably shouldn't be here , but I think it look's kinda cool .

Steve,

I agree that there needs to be a slight rake to the main mast.  Also, that foot to the main mast is questionable; I don't believe that Victory was ever so equipped. I'll see if I have any references for you. 

Bill

Looking very nice there Steve!. I too had a problem getting a slight rake to the main mast, I filed down the front of the square peg at the bottom of the mast to achieve that before I fit the Qtr deck. Did you back date the masts at all?

Michael D.

michael 

 thank's for the tip to file the square peg , will try it , not sure what you mean by back date the mast's ?

bill

I'm pretty sure the mast foot isn't meant to be there mate , I just like the look of it at the moment . we'll see .

Steve,

I started by removing the molded iron hoops on all the masts as they were not introduced until 1800, I did leave the front fish ( the raised section on the fore side of the mast), but added the filler pieces to each side for a smoothe transition for the rope woodings which number 8 on the fore mast, 9 on the main and 6 on the mizen.

Also the cheeks ( the raised sections on either side of the mast) on the mizen only will need to be removed as they were used around 1790, this did require some material to fill the void left after removal, I used brass tube and putty.

All of the this would be approprate from 1773 and on. A lot of work for sure considering the beautiful job you've done already, if you're up to it I have some pics..Cheers.

Michael D.

I just knew this wasn't going to be simple ,  . LOL , I would really appreciate those photo's michael , thank's mate .

I noticed that michael , had added 3 grate's , to the quarter deck . they have finally arrived , now to put these jigsaw puzzles together .

steve5

Steve,

I just checked several photos of the Victory. There does appear to be a very slight aft rake of the main mast. It is so slight that it is almost unnoticeable. But, it is there.

Bill

Steve I put up the pics, I felt it appropriate not to hijack your thread mate.

Michael D.

michael 

thankyou for that mate , that has made my life a lot easier , the research you must be putting into this , is awe inspiring , and your right , the rope does look good .

bill 

cheer's mate , I'm trying but I'm having a bit of trouble getting it to go back , But I'll get there .

dafi , michael , how do these look , I was thinking of putting in 4 .

got this little bit of decoration in for the front of the poop deck .

first part done michael , the hoop's have been removed , I have ordered some 2.5mm 1/4 round styrene for it , should be here in a couple of week's .

grates are in 

only just noticed those chip's , oop's .

made a new walkway , and post's , both need painting , I think 4 post's might look better

Hello Steve,

may I give a correction? The walkway was much more narrow in 1765. Also I believe there were no posts - the french did this way. The english used some knees on the wall. If posts were used, they should be placed unterneath the skid beams. But have a look at Goodwins and Lavery: Construction and fitting + Construction and Fitting.

On the picturs in RMG I did  not see hints on the posts, but realised two set of ladders: one in the front and one in the aft of the waist.

thanks dafi , I wasn't sure how wide the walkway's were , I was only going on judgement from the couple of photo's I have seen of michael's beautiful ship . I only put the post's in for strength . I will take a plank off of the walkway's .

steve5

Looking great Steve!!, mine measure out to 12mm, hope that helps mate.

Michael D.

cheer's michael , I scribed the plank's at 2.5mm , after dafi's advice , I took one plank off and it come's in at 12.5mm now . I'll do a touch of sanding off of the back , and it should be right , I was thinking of adding a .5mm square strip on the inside edge ., as I have seen such raised strip's , would this be too much michael, thank's for the info mate .

steve

Have a look here 

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66473.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66475.html

:-)

XXXDAn

thank's for that daniel , I still have to take a bit off of the port side walkway , but does this look any better mate ?

actually daniel , their look's to be pillar in that 2nd pic just as the walkway thin's , after the quarter deck . it look's like the ladder , would start after that .

That is exactely what I meant: Coming from aft first broad gangway with fence. Where the fence stops a pillar, then the ladder, then the gangway is reduced width.

On the for end of the gangway, I was expecting something similar, but I can see no change in the gangway. But in another picture in 0512 I can see through a port a ladder right in the front start of the gangway.

As in 0516 there is this one pillar shown but no others, I suppose that to be the only one. And adding all the knees would be a nice feature that can be easily done.

XXXDAn

it would seem likely that it would be as wide at the front end as the aft .

I also believe that at least in the Trafalgar era, some of those pillars were removable.

Looking at McKays plans, as an architect, you see where the upper, main, lower and orlop deck beams all occur at the same spacing, one above the other and corresponding to the frames they attach to, which straddle the gunports, etc. But the quarterdeck has more closely spaced beams. The pillars are under four of the skid beams. Because they don't bear on an upper deck beam due to the different spacing, they are placed on the very large beams that run fore-aft and frame each side of the gratings on the upper deck.

That puts them considerably inboard of the inner edges of the gangways. And at least at that time, in his drawings, the gangways are a uniform width.

His drawings show very considerable horizontal lodging knees at those beams, as on all decks, but they don't show hanging knees.

I'm sure this is all pretty debatable, but it's fun to look at the structural framing plans and see how the whole thing ties together.

Bill

Many Pillars were temporarily removable. Otherwise the capstans would have not been operational :-)

Simply take a giant jack, push up all the decks above for an inch or two, take the pillars out, take the jack out, go to the next set of pillars. Shows how flexible the whole construction was.

XXXDAn

dafi

Bill

what gmorrison said , I love going over your thread , picking up little detail's .this is bit of a mock up 

filled the gap's and bogged up the rest