HMS victory build

finally got some wood colour on the outer hull , I think it look's ok , any comment's welcome. 

michael , is blue and white the correct colour scheme for the hull top , or will any colour do .

Hey Steve, I really love that wood look that you made. How did you do it? Can you share?

Where were you when I needed you on my Mayflower build? Lol. I really like that look.

thank's steve , I tried to follow davidk's method , a white primer , I couldn't get MM tan , so I used tamiya's xf-78 wooden deck tan , a coat of gloss , and then a layer of burnt umber oil wash with white spirit , I would like to have a go with a yellowish primer , to try and get that oak look , trying to decide whether to give it a dull coat or a semi gloss , thought's ?!! , the effect's you did on your mayflower , I could never achieve , LOL .

steve5

trying to decide whether to give it a dull coat or a semi gloss , thought's ?!!

Hey Steve, I think either should work. I always lean towards a drier look for wood. That is my personal preference. I guess it depends on what you are trying to emulate. Newer wood? Older wood? Painted wood? Oiled wood? Based on the pictures though, it looks perfect to me already. Or are you seeing something different? I know how cameras skew things. From my experience, adding clear or dull coat alters the subtle nuances of the underlying paint work. I try to avoid using it if I can. Whatever you choose, it should be fine! We are our own worst critics.

That is my novice two cents, for what it is worth. I love what you are doing. Keep up the good work....

That looks great Steve!. As far as the colors I chose I doubt it.  I used my own artistic license and they contrast with the wood nicely..to me anyway.

Michael D

Steve,

The paint job looks good. (You can't go wrong following David K's methods for the wood look ). You've done a commendable job using that technique.

Can't help you with the question regarding blue and white colors for the hull top. I'm sure someone will jump in with some answers.

baxter , michael .

I forgot to mention the reason I wanted to semi gloss or dull coat , I'm worried the masking tape , when I paint , might rip up some of my weathering , or am I worrying for nothing . 

steve5

Steve spraying dull coat over an existing coating that lacks proper adhesion will not keep it from peeling off, in your case since you used a base coat of primer and oil based paint for the weathering you'll have no worries.

I used dull coat spray over acrylic on my build just for the sheen I was after.

Michael D.

Hello all,

Here are a couple of useful links regarding victory's original appearance as launched.

First, Donald McNarry, master model builder, built the following model of her in Admiralty style - no rigging, just the hull.

http://www.shipmodel.com/models/victory-admiralty-style 

Next is a painting by Swaine:

Hope you find this helpful!

Jose

thank's for the assurance michael 

jgonzales , I have seen the model before , the painting is interesting , shows the yards are all black , thank's mate .

steve

Looks terrific, Steve!

I'm continually impressed by your ambition and skill....I'll be watching this build and taking notes for the day when I decide to start my Victory kit!

Great work so far :)

Dave

cheer's dave , I think we are all waiting for you to do the victory mate . I just hope my ambition , doesn't out weigh my ability LOL .

steve

She sure doesn't look like that now.  Thanks for the pictures.

that's a fact marcus , got some paint on the bottom half of the hull ,.

How did I miss this thread?  I have been intrigued by such a conversion for years but never felt comfortable doing so.  I will follow this thread religiously!

Bill Morrison

thank's bill , I wanted to do this build after seeing michael d's beautiful build on pete coleman's site , I can tell you now mine will not be as good as his , for one I have been copying his effort , I am still trying to figure out how to do the bow figure's which he carved  . { I am no sculpter }  but as you can see , he has been helping me no end , along with dafi , it has been really enjoyable so far learning new skill's . it's like when I did the robert e lee build , and T.B. helped me improve it , that's what's so good about this forum , the help and education you get .

steve5

Steve,

I have two of the Heller kits. One could be for experimentation.  I also have two of the 1/100 Mantua wood kits that I could use for scratchbuilding new features for the Victory.  You are inspiring me to delve into such a project.

Bill

Steve,

Great work so far! Your wood looks great so if you're happy with it then move on. 

In the future, if you want a bit more Yellow to your wood effect, you might try using Tamiya's Dark Yellow as a base. I then use at least three to five colors of artist oils to get the depth and tones I want. I also do all the painting of acrylics before I apply my oils so that all the colors juxtapose. I only put a dull coat on after I'm done. I apply oils right on top of the acrylics and mixed them on the model itself.

I can't tell you to look at my old wips since the PhotoBucket debacle wiped out the pictures, and I've decided that I'm not going to do or post anymore wips.

Just my two cents. As I said, your Victory is looking great.

Steve

Steve you're making good progress and it does look really good mate!. As far as one's work being better than someone elses is all subjective. My little secret for the sculptures is sculpy oven bake clay, shaping them individually with needles and small spatulas on aluminum foil before baking. Cheers.

Michael D.

bill

it would be great to have you along for the ride , we could inspire each other mate LOL

steve

thank's for the tip , when I mentioned the yellow , it was more of a mental reminder note to myself .yes I am happy with the way the wood turned out , but the tip about dark yellow , sound's good for next time amigo .

michael

I hope your still around when i start doing the figure's , I'm going to need some help LOL

steve

No problem Steve. I'm already thinking about Victory 1737 conversion so I'll be around for awhile..lol

Michael D

is that the ship , that was wrecked in a wild storm , can't wait to see that one .

but don't you just hate it when you paint something , and then remember you were supposed to repair , where you moved the channel's from . 

the painting to the top of the hull is almost finished , a bit touch -up required , here and there , on the whole not too bad ,

finally got the two halves together , starting to look ike a ship

Steve,

She looks great!  I am impressed so far!

Bill

Steve you must be proud thus far on what you've achived?. I like the use of the gold, nice touch!

Michael D.

Steve, it looks gorgeous. Nice work. I love it.

thankyou gentlemen , coming from you guy's it's very much appreciated , 

michael , I really wanted to do it in white , but it would have looked too much like your's , I had to find my own colour's , so I went patriotic , australia's colour's , LOL

Very impressive build thread. Look forward to following it as it progresses.

A previous poster placed a reference for two books earlier on, Longridges book and the Conway book, possibly the best references available. There is also another book by Noel Hackney about building the Airfix Victory. This was published by Patrick Stephens a UK publisher back in the 1980s. It was part of a series of three books about building ships from the Airfix classic ships range. The other two being about the Cutty Sark and Mayflower. I believe that HSMO (Her Majesties Stationery Office) published a book about the restoration of the Victory many years ago also but have never actually seen this publication.

thank's for that BF , will look into it .

just put the main gun deck cannon's in , didn't go to , too much trouble with them , you only see the barrel end's . but hopefully this should hold them in place .