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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:58 PM

thankyou gentlemen , but this aft end is giving me fit's , my computer crashed and I lost all my data on it , I have been trying to find some more . but I'll get thereConfused

 

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:21 AM

Yeah. What Bill said!

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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, January 18, 2018 7:05 AM

Steve,

I was hoping that you would post again!  You have taken on an impressive undertaking, and it looks great so far!

Bill

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 18, 2018 3:11 AM

sorry to be so long posting , but i have been having a lot of trouble getting the stern right , still at it , this is where I am at . 

 

 

 

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:01 AM

Got it! I understand.  Thanks!

Bill

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  • From: Ludwigsburg Germany
Posted by dafi on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:26 AM
That platform was a contemporary feature with all the ships :-) To be seen on many models in the NMM. One must not forget, those ships were heavily modified throughout their career. But that is the fun of it, getting these details. Very nice build to follow. Daniel
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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:06 PM

bill

, I am no historian , the platform you refer to is as mike said , I have remover either side of the main mast , apparently in 1765 this is what the victory looked like , I have also shortened the forecastle deck somewhat . I have been attempting to follow michael D's beautiful build on pete coleman's site , he is a very good historian and this is what he came up with . their is quite a few change's to be made to the rigging as well .

mike 

thank's for helping me out , you were right , I was well into the land of nod [I'm from queensland ] , and I wish I had your library mate

gene 

cheer's mate

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Saturday, December 9, 2017 11:27 AM

Bill,

Steve's probably still in the land of Nod ... It's around 4 am in Adelaide - At the moment I can't recall where in Australia Steve lives but no doubt it's still early. He'll chime in soon I'm sure.

If you're referring to the platform surrounding the mainmast, I think it's just that Steve hasn't completed the quarter deck yet, although I may be mistaken. I also may not have understood your question correctly .. as often happens to me when trying to help out Embarrassed.

Here are a couple scans from my book: HMS Victory by McGowan.

 

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, December 9, 2017 10:41 AM

Steve, everything you do is absolutely beautiful. What do you mean rumors, when you are as good as you it's not a rumor. At my age, I don't make changes. If I did I would still be glueing the hull together., right or wrong, but I am as happy as a clam. I open the box & build the model.

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Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, December 9, 2017 8:12 AM

Steve,

I am not familiar with that little platform supporting the mast.  Could you please elaborate for me?

Thanks!

Bill

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:16 AM

the bowspit modified , not brilliant , but the lashing should cover some sin's .

 

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Posted by dafi on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 4:28 AM
Très chic! XXXDAn
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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 12:50 AM

the main mast done

 

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, November 24, 2017 11:52 PM

filled the gap's and bogged up the rest

 

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 8:47 PM

what gmorrison said , I love going over your thread , picking up little detail's .this is bit of a mock up 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 2:22 PM

dafi

Daniel- That's the messenger? Very nice detail of the pillars in a neat stack next to the jack. Super modeling.

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Ludwigsburg Germany
Posted by dafi on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:48 AM

Many Pillars were temporarily removable. Otherwise the capstans would have not been operational :-)

Simply take a giant jack, push up all the decks above for an inch or two, take the pillars out, take the jack out, go to the next set of pillars. Shows how flexible the whole construction was.

 

XXXDAn

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, November 20, 2017 8:11 PM

I also believe that at least in the Trafalgar era, some of those pillars were removable.

Looking at McKays plans, as an architect, you see where the upper, main, lower and orlop deck beams all occur at the same spacing, one above the other and corresponding to the frames they attach to, which straddle the gunports, etc. But the quarterdeck has more closely spaced beams. The pillars are under four of the skid beams. Because they don't bear on an upper deck beam due to the different spacing, they are placed on the very large beams that run fore-aft and frame each side of the gratings on the upper deck.

That puts them considerably inboard of the inner edges of the gangways. And at least at that time, in his drawings, the gangways are a uniform width.

His drawings show very considerable horizontal lodging knees at those beams, as on all decks, but they don't show hanging knees.

I'm sure this is all pretty debatable, but it's fun to look at the structural framing plans and see how the whole thing ties together.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, November 20, 2017 1:35 PM

it would seem likely that it would be as wide at the front end as the aft .

 

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  • From: Ludwigsburg Germany
Posted by dafi on Monday, November 20, 2017 6:51 AM

That is exactely what I meant: Coming from aft first broad gangway with fence. Where the fence stops a pillar, then the ladder, then the gangway is reduced width.

On the for end of the gangway, I was expecting something similar, but I can see no change in the gangway. But in another picture in 0512 I can see through a port a ladder right in the front start of the gangway.

As in 0516 there is this one pillar shown but no others, I suppose that to be the only one. And adding all the knees would be a nice feature that can be easily done.

XXXDAn

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, November 20, 2017 3:46 AM

actually daniel , their look's to be pillar in that 2nd pic just as the walkway thin's , after the quarter deck . it look's like the ladder , would start after that .Hmm

 

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  • From: Ludwigsburg Germany
Posted by dafi on Monday, November 20, 2017 3:25 AM
I one looks at the second picture of SLR0514, one can see it even smaller. Interesting Detail: Near the quarter deck it gets more wide, a small fence and a pillar to be seen, in front of the fence still in the broader part should be a ladder as seen on SLR0512 picture 4 (zoom in and you will see :-) Also a nice detail on 0514 are the hanging and standing knees in the waist. XXXDAn
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Posted by steve5 on Monday, November 20, 2017 3:12 AM

thank's for that daniel , I still have to take a bit off of the port side walkway , but does this look any better mate ?

 

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Posted by dafi on Monday, November 20, 2017 2:30 AM
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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, November 19, 2017 11:29 PM

cheer's michael , I scribed the plank's at 2.5mm , after dafi's advice , I took one plank off and it come's in at 12.5mm now . I'll do a touch of sanding off of the back , and it should be right , I was thinking of adding a .5mm square strip on the inside edge ., as I have seen such raised strip's , would this be too much michael, thank's for the info mate .

steve

 

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Posted by Michael D. on Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:35 PM

Looking great Steve!!, mine measure out to 12mm, hope that helps mate.

 

Michael D.

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, November 19, 2017 4:40 AM

thanks dafi , I wasn't sure how wide the walkway's were , I was only going on judgement from the couple of photo's I have seen of michael's beautiful ship . I only put the post's in for strength . I will take a plank off of the walkway's .

steve5

 

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  • From: Ludwigsburg Germany
Posted by dafi on Sunday, November 19, 2017 4:26 AM

Hello Steve,

may I give a correction? The walkway was much more narrow in 1765. Also I believe there were no posts - the french did this way. The english used some knees on the wall. If posts were used, they should be placed unterneath the skid beams. But have a look at Goodwins and Lavery: Construction and fitting + Construction and Fitting.

On the picturs in RMG I did  not see hints on the posts, but realised two set of ladders: one in the front and one in the aft of the waist.

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:43 PM

made a new walkway , and post's , both need painting , I think 4 post's might look better

 

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, November 17, 2017 4:18 PM

grates are in 

only just noticed those chip's , oop's .

 

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