1,000 Roadwheels - 2009

wing_nut wrote:

Here the badge with a more normal font

Wingy - let me root around a bit, see if I can find a font I like. That one is definitely BETTER, but not quite there. 

Anyone know about the German system of ranks (hopefully applicable to tankers)? Either non-coms or officers would be fine, what I'm thinking here is adding an escalating rank emblem for each additional build people complete. The U.S. system would work great (one up = private, two up = corporal, three up, three up and one down, three up and two down, etc) but isn't quite appropriate enough for a German armor GB. 

Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_military_ranks

wing_nut wrote:

Here the badge with a more normal font

Oooh, I'm likin' that...  Did you lighten up the contrast on the photo?  It looks like this one retains more detail when you shrink it down.

Hey Ernest,

That hunk of resin you got sure is purdy.....  Can't wait to see it with some clothes on...

dupes wrote:

bufflehead wrote: I'll take more photos tonight after I've had my personal time with the resin Ahhhhh, too funny! I'm assuming, Ernest, that as soon as your UHU is done for 251's that there will be a TON of resin goodness flying around the 1,000 Roadwheels thread??? Squeakie - the dates are indeed correct, all of 2009. I generally don't like doing such long duration GB's, but in this case I think there's going to be some sort of reward system for doing more builds...and I really wanted to get as many of the Pz. IV variants completed as possible. Let me know if you want in!

OK, put me down for an Stug IV (Tamayia kit), and if I get it done in time I'll also do the L70 StugIV from Tamayia. But don't expect to start till around Easter. I really want to wait a bit on the Ostwind as I need to round up some AM parts that are somewhat expensive.

gary

squeakie wrote:

dupes wrote:  bufflehead wrote: I'll take more photos tonight after I've had my personal time with the resin Ahhhhh, too funny! I'm assuming, Ernest, that as soon as your UHU is done for 251's that there will be a TON of resin goodness flying around the 1,000 Roadwheels thread??? Squeakie - the dates are indeed correct, all of 2009. I generally don't like doing such long duration GB's, but in this case I think there's going to be some sort of reward system for doing more builds...and I really wanted to get as many of the Pz. IV variants completed as possible. Let me know if you want in!  OK, put me down for an Stug IV (Tamayia kit), and if I get it done in time I'll also do the L70 StugIV from Tamayia. But don't expect to start till around Easter. I really want to wait a bit on the Ostwind as I need to round up some AM parts that are somewhat expensive. gary

I take it thats the Italeri Ostwind you have./ Which AM parts are you going for.

Bish wrote:

squeakie wrote:  dupes wrote:  bufflehead wrote: I'll take more photos tonight after I've had my personal time with the resin Ahhhhh, too funny! I'm assuming, Ernest, that as soon as your UHU is done for 251's that there will be a TON of resin goodness flying around the 1,000 Roadwheels thread??? Squeakie - the dates are indeed correct, all of 2009. I generally don't like doing such long duration GB's, but in this case I think there's going to be some sort of reward system for doing more builds...and I really wanted to get as many of the Pz. IV variants completed as possible. Let me know if you want in!  OK, put me down for an Stug IV (Tamayia kit), and if I get it done in time I'll also do the L70 StugIV from Tamayia. But don't expect to start till around Easter. I really want to wait a bit on the Ostwind as I need to round up some AM parts that are somewhat expensive. gary I take it thats the Italeri Ostwind you have./ Which AM parts are you going for.

I just got the PE in the mail today. But what I really want todo is to use the Lion Roar 37mm cannon. Believe it or not I have four kits that use the same gun in one form or another. I also am not very impressed with the tracks, and will want to add an after market set to that project. The Ostwind has always been one of my favorite tracks. The kit I have is the CMK one that uses the Tamayia hull. Is it accurate I don't really know, but like the CMK parts (except for the shields). There are lots of parts out there for the hull, so I'll be scrounging up parts for awhile yet.

    With the above in mind I have the two Tamayia Stug's that I'd just love to see gone! (gives me some more room in the rack for a couple kits setting on the floor!). My Uboat is back on the shelf till it warms up again, and I guess the Sheridan assembly line will have to be shut down for awhile (wasn't making a lot of progress on the three of them anyway). So now we all know about my excuses.

gary

Bish wrote:

Didn't realise CMK did an Ostwind. I have just ordered the Lion roar gun for my Tamiya Modelwagen, but am going to stick to the Italeri for the Ostwind but get an Aber barrel. I believe the Italeru one is moddeled on the vehicle showen to Hitler and not on how the production version would have been. Maybe the CMK is different.

the Tamayia/CMK kit is #T35004, and uses what looks like a IVJ hull (maybe it's an "H"), and the upper gun assembly is from CMK. After watching "wild bill's" progress on the 37mm gun assembly I knew that was the way to go! I also have another track that uses the same gun and two half tracks fitted with it too. The other track will need some major rework (Tamayia) as they didn't seem to get the gun mount right in the basic hull. But on the otherhand I think that Tamayia did a better moldoing job on the gun than they did with the halftracks. Everything seems to be much sharper moldings.

    As for which version that CMK used I don't have a clue. Photos seem to be as rare as hen's teeth, and this is one reason I have not really started it yet. After the first of the year I'm going to try and strike out a deal with my LHS on buying four of the Lion Roar kits. Wish Lion Roar would do the same with the quad 20mm used in the Wirbelwind and FlakPanzer. Anyway I've got way more than enough to keep me busy for quite awhile (1/72 U-boat, two StugIV's, a Fokker D-VII and the always working Sheridan assembly line)

gary

I take it the Tamiya kit you have is the Modelwagen with the 3.7cm gun, which if i recall is what wild bill built. That was a good build and what made me decide to swap the tamiya gun for the lion Roar.

Lion Roar do do a detail set for the Tamiya Wirbelwind and another for the Flakvierling 38. They are both more expensive than the 3.7cm gun. The Wirbelwind set is £35 and the Flak 38 £30, so not sure what you would pay for them. I have just ordered the Wirbelwind along with the 3.7cm gun, if you want i will let you know what its like when i get my hands on it. There is a write up on the Perth site as well.

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/lionroar/las35010.html

Bish wrote:

Lion Roar do do a detail

He he...  you said 'do do'...  Sorry... I'm 5....

Bish wrote:

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/lionroar/las35010.html

Wow, that set looks pretty nice.  I have never used any of the Lion Roar stuff (though I have one set in the stash), but like you guys, watching wbill's work on the Mobelwagen really turned me on to the idea.  The only concern I would have is that tag line in the summary:

"The lack of clear instructions can lead to problems in a few areas for the unwary which can spoil the whole experience."

Why do I think they have me in mind when they write about the 'unwary'...

bbrowniii wrote:

Bish wrote: Lion Roar do do a detail   He he...  you said 'do do'...  Sorry... I'm 5....

and i thought i would be the only one to find it funny. Glad i ain't alone.

bbrowniii wrote:

Bish wrote: http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/lionroar/las35010.html Wow, that set looks pretty nice.  I have never used any of the Lion Roar stuff (though I have one set in the stash), but like you guys, watching wbill's work on the Mobelwagen really turned me on to the idea.  The only concern I would have is that tag line in the summary: "The lack of clear instructions can lead to problems in a few areas for the unwary which can spoil the whole experience." Why do I think they have me in mind when they write about the 'unwary'...

Yes, but now your not unwary because you have been made aware of it

MMMMMMMMMM, a Lion Roar GB perhaps.

Bish wrote:

MMMMMMMMMM, a Lion Roar GB perhaps.

Ohhhhh... you are a ruthless one, aren't ya??

bbrowniii wrote:

Bish wrote: Lion Roar do do a detail   He he...  you said 'do do'...  Sorry... I'm 5....

I must be 5 too since I chuckled

LION ROAR GB?  IN

That does look like a real nice set.  Gotta do that one with solder...CA glue won't cut it.  I like the welds in the PE.

wing_nut wrote:

bbrowniii wrote:  Bish wrote: Lion Roar do do a detail   He he...  you said 'do do'...  Sorry... I'm 5.... I must be 5 too since I chuckled   LION ROAR GB?  IN That does look like a real nice set.  Gotta do that one with solder...CA glue won't cut it.  I like the welds in the PE.

Someone must build that M2/M2A1 set that Lion Roar manufactures that replaces 95% of the DML kit if a Lion Roar GB is started. 

tigerman wrote:

I just put in an order for some Cavalier zimmerit for my J. From my intelligence report, the Tamiya J is more of an early and very hard to distinguish from an H. The biggest tell-tale evidence is 3 return rollers compared to 4 on the H. My schurzen says H, but are very similar to the J too. I might just fake an H and place it Normandy. Were J's used in Normandy as one might suspect?

I do believe that the only deifference between the H and the first J was that the J had a larger fuel tank, so from the outside they were the same. Then as usual with German vehicles, changes were made during its production. The 4th return roller wasn't removed until ltater in the production run. I think you could get away with useing the tamiya J as an H. The J didn't enter production until June 44, so you might have had a few later on in the Normandy compaign, but not early on.

wing_nut wrote:

bbrowniii wrote:  Bish wrote: Lion Roar do do a detail   He he...  you said 'do do'...  Sorry... I'm 5.... I must be 5 too since I chuckled   LION ROAR GB?  IN That does look like a real nice set.  Gotta do that one with solder...CA glue won't cut it.  I like the welds in the PE.

O no, me and my big mouth. Maybe i'll will work on it and consider starting it as my first GB at the end of next year, i'm upto my eyeballs in GB's and i can't get back to my models for another 6 weeks or so.

I think i need to learn how to solder. So far i've only done PE clams and other stuff i can get away with glueing. But i think those two sets i've just ordered will ned a bit more than that.

Bish wrote:

I take it the Tamiya kit you have is the Modelwagen with the 3.7cm gun, which if i recall is what wild bill built. That was a good build and what made me decide to swap the tamiya gun for the lion Roar. Lion Roar do do a detail set for the Tamiya Wirbelwind and another for the Flakvierling 38. They are both more expensive than the 3.7cm gun. The Wirbelwind set is £35 and the Flak 38 £30, so not sure what you would pay for them. I have just ordered the Wirbelwind along with the 3.7cm gun, if you want i will let you know what its like when i get my hands on it. There is a write up on the Perth site as well. http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/lionroar/las35010.html

Wild Bill built the Mobile Wagon as you said, but the CMK kit is a true Ostwind with a Tamayia hull. I've also got the same kit Wild Bill built, and they are different. What I ment to say was that I wish Lion Roar would sell a complete quad twenty like they did with the 37mm gun. But what I'd really like to see if for Dragon to do the flak series on the mark IV hull

gary

Bish wrote:

Personally i think the Tamiya and Italeri are pretty good kits and between those two and Dragon they cover all but one of the Pz IV AA vehicles. All we ned is an Ostwind II and the re-lease of the Modelwagen with quard 20mm.

OK, I gotta ask! What's an Ostwind II? And the guard 20mm as well? And not to really change the subject, but I've recently discovered that the British military had similar tracks of their own design in WWII

gary

squeakie wrote:

Bish wrote: Personally i think the Tamiya and Italeri are pretty good kits and between those two and Dragon they cover all but one of the Pz IV AA vehicles. All we ned is an Ostwind II and the re-lease of the Modelwagen with quard 20mm. OK, I gotta ask! What's an Ostwind II? And the guard 20mm as well? And not to really change the subject, but I've recently discovered that the British military had similar tracks of their own design in WWII gary

The Ostwind II was a self propelled flak gun.  The 2nd iteration has two 37mm guns mounted rather than the one that the first Ostwind had.  I don't believe it ever reached production, but I may be wrong on that.

Your correct, it never did reach production, but according to Achtung Panzer one was built.. I haven't seen any pics either. It was also intended to re-arm the Wirbelwind with 4 30mm guns, again one was produced. This is the Achtung Panzer page of the Wirbelwind and Ostwind.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/flak4.htm

 As for the Modelwagen with the quad 20mm, this was the original idea for the Modelwagen, armed with the same gun as the Wirbelwind. Only one was built and then they decided to go with the 3.7cm as it fired heavier shells. Tamiya did do a kit of it years back. I did build one about 8 years ago but unfortunatly it was one of many that didn't survive. And this is the link to the Modelwagen page which includes a pic of the Quad 20mm version.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/flakpanzer-iv-mobelwagen-sdkfz1613.htm

Bish wrote:

tigerman wrote: I just put in an order for some Cavalier zimmerit for my J. From my intelligence report, the Tamiya J is more of an early and very hard to distinguish from an H. The biggest tell-tale evidence is 3 return rollers compared to 4 on the H. My schurzen says H, but are very similar to the J too. I might just fake an H and place it Normandy. Were J's used in Normandy as one might suspect? I do believe that the only deifference between the H and the first J was that the J had a larger fuel tank, so from the outside they were the same. Then as usual with German vehicles, changes were made during its production. The 4th return roller wasn't removed until ltater in the production run. I think you could get away with useing the tamiya J as an H. The J didn't enter production until June 44, so you might have had a few later on in the Normandy p]

detailfreak wrote:

Bish wrote:  tigerman wrote: I just put in an order for some Cavalier zimmerit for my J. From my intelligence report, the Tamiya J is more of an early and very hard to distinguish from an H. The biggest tell-tale evidence is 3 return rollers compared to 4 on the H. My schurzen says H, but are very similar to the J too. I might just fake an H and place it Normandy. Were J's used in Normandy as one might suspect? I do believe that the only deifference between the H and the first J was that the J had a larger fuel tank, so from the outside they were the same. Then as usual with German vehicles, changes were made during its production. The 4th return roller wasn't removed until ltater in the production run. I think you could get away with useing the tamiya J as an H. The J didn't enter production until June 44, so you might have had a few later on in the Normandy p] compaign, but not early on.the osprey book,in the new vanguard series covering the g,h and j,gives quite alot of info. on the time of changes, updates and such.for instance many j's retained the four return roller configuration.alot of useful info. for building a j model.oh that isbn. #1-84176-183-4.[tu

Thats one thing i like about the NV range, they give a month by month account of the changes made to German vehicles. I don't have the Pz IV one yet, but its nice top know it sticks to that format. I am guessing that alot of J's were built on older hull's that were in stock and some may have even been Ausf's H's rturned to the factory after mager damage.

The viacal at th etop of this page is it a IV variant? it says gesutswagen III/IV.

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/dragon.htm