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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, July 27, 2009 1:52 PM
its an F.1 but it doesnt matter, as I said the beams that hold the top wing to the bottom wing arent really positioned correctly and dont sit flat like they should.  Because of that I cant glue them in place till im SURE they line up with the top wing, and I cant do that because the top wing is so freaking heavy.

 

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Posted by soulcrusher on Monday, July 27, 2009 2:11 PM

Sounds like you need one of those fancy riggs that hold the upper wing in place while you glue in the struts and wait for everything to set up. I have seen many different types. Some are very high tech and I have seen some people use Legos to hold the kit in place and then build them up to hold the upper wing. Just some food for though.

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Posted by Mobious on Monday, July 27, 2009 2:47 PM
 soulcrusher wrote:

Sounds like you need one of those fancy riggs that hold the upper wing in place while you glue in the struts and wait for everything to set up. I have seen many different types. Some are very high tech and I have seen some people use Legos to hold the kit in place and then build them up to hold the upper wing. Just some food for though.

                                                                                  SoulcrusherPirate [oX)]

 I've seen styrofoam used as an upper wing jig also. It may help to work from the cabane(inner) struts out to the spars (outter struts). Pay special attention to getting the upper wing squarred with the lower and the fuselage too.

 HTH 

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, July 27, 2009 4:44 PM
thats the thing, the struts attach in the worst possible ways, little pegs, giant openings for thin pieces, it wasnt planned out well at all, and none of them line up correctly without holdin them in place, even with super glue the angle was so wierd that it would fall off while I was trying to line the top wing up.

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, July 27, 2009 7:27 PM

Have you tried placing the model upside down to dry once the the upper wing has been cemented in place?  Likely have to find something to prop up the fusalge while in that position.

 Jack

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, July 27, 2009 8:34 PM
the same problem exists on either side, the bottom and the top dont have placements that are form fitted for the struts, there to big and not defined on what angle or placement to put them at.  One strut doesnt have the thickness or strength to whole the wing, or fuselage up while it dries in place, and even if it did, I wouldnt be sure that was the correct spot unless they were all On to measure right, and even then, it could be tilted one way or another...  Its a baddly designed kit for fitting

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:46 AM

smeagol the vile
the same problem exists on either side, the bottom and the top dont have placements that are form fitted for the struts, there to big and not defined on what angle or placement to put them at.  One strut doesnt have the thickness or strength to whole the wing, or fuselage up while it dries in place, and even if it did, I wouldnt be sure that was the correct spot unless they were all On to measure right, and even then, it could be tilted one way or another...  Its a baddly designed kit for fitting

I think I see your problem.  Your looking at the issue from  the standpoint that the cabane struts (from the fuselage to the top wing) are too long. Also that they don't have  enough attachment area.

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:57 PM
its the exact opisite of there not being enough area, there is TO much area, I can wiggle and angle and move the struts in every direction a large amount without it looking wrong, and if I sit them flat like you would thing they make a giant V instead of what the plans say they should.  The instructions are vauge... if I had batteries for my camerea Id show you...

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:20 PM
You are right.  You have a whole other issue.  Good Luck.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:37 PM
no its quite alright.  I think the next time I decide to build an airplane of any sort its going to be a modern kit, not some 1980s (or earlier) kit because it was cheap

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:36 PM

i dunno if you can tell from the photo but hereis what I was talking about + the instructions

 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:35 PM

 smeagol the vile wrote:
i dunno if you can tell from the photo but hereis what I was talking about + the instructions

Ok I think I see your problem.  A friend of mine, callsign "Kofoed" did a build of this kit and he can probably say what you need to hear.

Click here.

He goes on to say also that -

An interesting aspect with this model is, that the wings are very thin and flexible. I put on the lower wings, which are moulded in one piece with the center of the bottom fuselage, and thought no more about this until I was mounting the top wing. This, the top wing, bulged seriously up in the middle during the test fit, and I thought about cutting off the cabane struts. However, seeing that they had the right lengths, it occurred to me, that the lower wings had sunk due to the weight, dragging the tips of the upper wing along. So, nothing else to do than adjust it with the rigging. Hence the landing wires are very tight, actually carrying the weight of the wings. This is just like the real thing, I guess. The flying wires are double, of course. They have to carry the entire plane during flight.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by Mobious on Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:30 PM
 Hey Stephen, that does answer a question I'd had about the double wire on most British Biplanes. Thanks.

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:38 PM
He did alot of modifications to that kit...

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Saturday, August 1, 2009 2:05 AM


Here is a bit of fun in the form of Eduard's most recent pressing.  The re-issue of their fine 1/48 mold.  Kit # 8480 is out.  and as a weekender it has a large potential for some enjoyable building.  It is supposed to represent  the Fokker E.V flown by Theo Osterkamp, Marine Feld Jagdstaffel II, Belgium, 1918.  But does it? More later.

Here was my first review of this mold when it premiered.
Click here.

Here is my build of the first issue kit.
Here.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by More Power Scotty on Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:49 AM

Stephen,

 Oddly enough, that is the exact kit that I am preparing to build next for this group build.

 

Scott
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Posted by Luftwoller on Saturday, August 1, 2009 12:56 PM

Great build Stephen. I really fancy one of those, they look great. Good old Eduard. How do you weather up the lozenge decals? I really like the effect you have given it.

...Guy

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Posted by StephenLawson on Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:12 AM

Greetings  Guy;

It is not so much weathering as it is texturing.  Fabric weaves have shadows.  Since Lozenge is printed not painted in most cases here is what I devised. Read through page 1 & 2 to get the full good of it.

Texturing 101

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by StephenLawson on Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:36 PM

StephenLawson

Here is a bit of fun in the form of Eduard's most recent pressing.  The re-issue of their fine 1/48 mold.  Kit # 8480 is out.  and as a weekender it has a large potential for some enjoyable building.  It is supposed to represent  the Fokker E.V flown by Theo Osterkamp, Marine Feld Jagdstaffel II, Belgium, 1918.  But does it? More later.

Here was my first review of this mold when it premiered.
Click here.

Here is my build of the first issue kit.
Here.

As is my montra for building, research is key.  Here is a fellow building a fullscale totally accurate reproduction. (not a replica).   WWI Aero and FTS

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by Lancair IV on Tuesday, August 4, 2009 7:43 AM

Hey guys....

I signed up to build a 1/32 Sopwith Camel, and thought I had time being unemployed.  I hate to say it, but I don't.  I have 3 other started kits that I need to finish, tons of work I can do around the house etc.......Sorry about this.... Sign - Oops [#oops]

 

Cheers

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by Luftwoller on Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:54 AM

Wow, Stephen, thx so much for posting the link. Mr Angelis is one talented guy. I spent the evening reading his whole thread. What a fantastic plane. I tried regestering with the forum but it said sthere was trouble with it and i couldnt register directly for some reason. Please keep us posted with the build. What a site that would be to see that plane flying. Awesome.

...Guy

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, August 5, 2009 6:11 PM

Rob- No worries my friend!  I shall leave you on the roster just in case (if that's allright with you).  If not, say the word and I shall remove it for you.  Sorry to see you go, I am a fan of your previously posted work. Thumbs Up [tup]

Stephen- Thank you for those links.  That 1:1 scale D.VIII is quite a sight indeed! Approve [^]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Simon L on Saturday, August 8, 2009 6:52 PM

Hi Guys

 The building of my DR1 has been interrupted by my active three year old who 'played with' the almost completed airframe. This resulted in various damaged parts/assemblies and a lost aileron, which I only just found.

Anyway - repairs have been effected, and here's some pics :

Simon

 

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Posted by lewbud on Sunday, August 9, 2009 12:53 AM

Simon,

Did he/she give the family pet a proper strafing before it was lost to ground fire?  Nice recovery.

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, August 9, 2009 4:28 AM

Simon, great save from you boy. I love the markings on this one. For the pics, is there any chance you could snap a couple with a blank background? Makes it really difficult to focus on the good stuff with the bench in the background LOL. I just use an old piece of wallpaper stuck up behind te job with a smooth curve at the base,

...Guy

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Posted by Mobious on Sunday, August 9, 2009 10:49 AM
 Hey Simon, Glad to see the DrI wasn't severely damaged. She looks close to being battle ready. I like what you've done with the markings. I can relate to the offspring logging flight time with projects. My son and his freinds flew a squadron of my AC when I first returned to the hobby, funny thing is they were of the ages of 14-16. Heck, I still make strafing runs with'em at full throttle, MG's blazing away. Anyhow, hope the youngster takes to building models too.

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:06 AM
Glad to see the Dr.I survived the mishap!  Looking very good so far! Approve [^]

Frank 

 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:08 AM

Now here is a bit of fun on the future 1/32 releases of "Wingnut Wings" Courtesy of Modelhound.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by Luftwoller on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:38 PM

Im sooo waiting for that Gotha, and the Albatros come to think of it. Isnt the wingspan of the Gotha about 750mm? That is seriously huge....and seriously gorgeous.

Thx for the heads up Stephen, i now have to go and de-drool my keyboard.

...Guy

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Posted by soulcrusher on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:16 PM

Thank you for posting those pictures Stephen. Those Wing Nut kits look like some of the nicest kits released by anyone in a long time. I am still recovering from my first biplane build but thoses kits are nice enough to tempt me to build another one. Just in case I forgot I really wanted to thank you for everything you have done for this GB. You were an invaluable resource of information and I do'nt think my build would have ever turn out as good as it did without your help. I big thank you to you Stephen!Make a Toast [#toast].

Guy that Gotha has you written all over it. As soon as I saw it I though to myself Guy needs to build one of those. Then I read down to the next post and there you are drooling all over itBig Smile [:D].

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