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Posted by Mobious on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 9:43 AM
 taxtp wrote:

Whilst I'm at it, does anyone know of any photos of AFC Sopwith Pups (I think the AFC flew 3 Pups in total) or RFC/RNAS Pups flown by Australians ?

  Found a couple pics of a beautiful replica Sopwith pup painted as D4170 of the AFC. Sorry if the link doesn't work.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTefhxbGNJrk0BvhmjzbkF/SIG=11jpqcnmb/EXP=1231338993/**http%3A//www.cnapg.org/vh_psp.htm

 Thank you for the compliments everyone. The positive feedback is very encouraging after several failed attempts.

 Luftwoller, thanks for the heads up about sealing the decals, My attempts didn't quite make it that far.

 Squeakie, will be heading to Gander Mountain soon looking for the materials mentioned. I was short on time when I last visited. Thanks for the tip. May even pick up some fishing gear while I'm there.

 Steven, Thank you for the compliment, I especially want to thank you for all the informative articles you've posted here and over on aeroscale. Truely the efforts of a Master Modeler.

 Looking forward to seeing updates from everyone.

 Mobious

 

 

 

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Posted by squeakie on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 1:46 PM

 Daywalker wrote:
I was looking at my Eduard 1/48 Albatros D.III last night, and noticed that they include two different styles of rudders.  One is the rounded type, and the other has a pronounced flat area on the backside of it.  Is one specific to a certain version of the aircraft, and is on the sprue for other marks (I.E. D.II, D.V) or are the different styles indicative of a certain manufacturer?  I know little about these birds, and was curious.

I noticed the samething in a couple books I've picked up for research. There was two completely different tails (maybe the D-III). But I got my D-II the othernight, and it has the regular tail like the DIII has. Right now the Albatross situation is starting to get kinda muddy!

gary

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Posted by Mobious on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 3:17 PM
 squeakie wrote:

 Daywalker wrote:
I was looking at my Eduard 1/48 Albatros D.III last night, and noticed that they include two different styles of rudders.  One is the rounded type, and the other has a pronounced flat area on the backside of it.  Is one specific to a certain version of the aircraft, and is on the sprue for other marks (I.E. D.II, D.V) or are the different styles indicative of a certain manufacturer?  I know little about these birds, and was curious.

I noticed the samething in a couple books I've picked up for research. There was two completely different tails (maybe the D-III). But I got my D-II the othernight, and it has the regular tail like the DIII has. Right now the Albatross situation is starting to get kinda muddy!

 

gary

 the Albatross I had built earlier was the Eduard DIII (Early) the instructions called out for the squared off tail, but both were included. The Osprey book I just recieved shows the DI, DII, and some DIII's with the squared tail while other DIII's and all of the DV's have the rounded rudder. I'd assumed it was a mid-production change.

 Mo 

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:50 PM
 Mobious wrote:
 squeakie wrote:
". . .I noticed the samething in a couple books I've picked up for research. There was two completely different tails (maybe the D-III). But I got my D-II the othernight, and it has the regular tail like the DIII has. Right now the Albatros situation is starting to get kinda muddy! gary

 ". . .the Albatros I had built earlier was the Eduard DIII (Early) the instructions called out for the squared off tail, but both were included. The Osprey book I just recieved shows the DI, DII, and some DIII types with the squared tail while other DIII's and all of the D.V types have the rounded rudder. I'd assumed it was a mid-production change.  Mo "

Concerning Alb. D.III the squared trailing edge rudder was seen on Johannistal built airframes. The curved trailing edge rudder was seen at first on Schbeidemuhl (OAW) built Alb. D.III types.

Then when Johannistahl built the prototype Alb. D.V they used the square trailing edge rudder.  BUT after seeing the Schneidemuhl curved trailing edge rudder they changed all production rudders for their Alb. D.V  & D.Va machines to the curved trailing edge type.  It added more area and the response time on the rudder was improved with it.

Noteably the Austrian built versons 53, 153 &253 series only used the sqaure trailing edge rudder on all of their production models.  Though they did alter other portions of the airframe.

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 6:24 PM
Thank you VERY much Stephen, that's exactly what I was looking for. Approve [^]

Frank 

 

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Posted by squeakie on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:33 PM
 StephenLawson wrote:
 Mobious wrote:
 squeakie wrote:
". . .I noticed the samething in a couple books I've picked up for research. There was two completely different tails (maybe the D-III). But I got my D-II the othernight, and it has the regular tail like the DIII has. Right now the Albatros situation is starting to get kinda muddy! gary

 ". . .the Albatros I had built earlier was the Eduard DIII (Early) the instructions called out for the squared off tail, but both were included. The Osprey book I just recieved shows the DI, DII, and some DIII types with the squared tail while other DIII's and all of the D.V types have the rounded rudder. I'd assumed it was a mid-production change.  Mo "

Concerning Alb. D.III the squared trailing edge rudder was seen on Johannistal built airframes. The curved trailing edge rudder was seen at first on Schbeidemuhl (OAW) built Alb. D.III types.

Then when Johannistahl built the prototype Alb. D.V they used the square trailing edge rudder.  BUT after seeing the Schneidemuhl curved trailing edge rudder they changed all production rudders for their Alb. D.V  & D.Va machines to the curved trailing edge type.  It added more area and the response time on the rudder was improved with it.

Noteably the Austrian built versons 53, 153 &253 series only used the squre trailing edge rudder on all of their production models.  Though they did alter other portions of the airframe.

I saw a third one in one of my Opspry books. The whole shape was much different. In the Richthofen's Circus book look at Werner Voss's plane (#14 on page 39). There are several with the different tail fin. But looking in all of my Eduard Albatros kits (D.II, D.III, and D.V) there are only two different tail fins. Also in the Ospry Albatros Aces book they only show the two in the kits.

gary

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Posted by StephenLawson on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 7:42 PM

 squeakie wrote:
  "I saw a third one in one of my Opsprey books. The whole shape was much different. In the Richthofen's Circus book look at Werner Voss's plane (#14 on page 39). There are several with the different tail fin. But looking in all of my Eduard Albatros kits (D.II, D.III, and D.V) there are only two different tail fins. Also in the Osprey Albatros Aces book they only show the two in the kits. gary

When you talk about tail fins you are discussing the tail skid support shroud.  The D.III types were shorter with a shallow angle at the rear edge.  The Alb. D V tail skid support shroud was longer with a deeper angle.  Interestingly enough this was a feature that the Austrian D.III types did have as well.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by squeakie on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:08 AM
 Daywalker wrote:
 squeakie wrote:

if yur gander Mountain dosn't carry it (mine does), you can also order it from Cabalas. Beware that if you go with the 5x thru 6x stuff you'll want good lighting as this stuff is very thin. Just don't buy the premade leaders as they are tapered. You want what they often refer to as tippet material. If you'd like, I can send you about ten feet of the stuff in the mail. I have enough laying around for three lifetimes of use.

gary

I actually drove past where Gander Mountain "used" to be yesterday!  They closed it evidently. Disapprove [V]

Gary- PM inbound! Wink [;)]

Mobious- Glad to hear that the Future is looking good for you! Smile [:)]  I used to hate the stuff, and was irritated by how much praise was lavished upon it.  Then, after learning how to apply it properly, I must say it is one of my favorite products to use.  Glad you are enjoying it as well!

I didn't get the stuff in the mail this afternoon, but will tomorrow for sure. Reason I'm posting about this is that I want to tell you some bad stuff I just found out awhile ago. Got to looking at the Cabalas fly fishing catalog awhile ago (I'm in the market for a 10 foot,10 weight flyrod for a south pacific trip in the spring if I can raise the cold cash). The price for Frog Hair leader material has more than doubled over the last 12 months! Lucky for me that I have about eight spools of various sizes laying around. If your serious about trying the monofilment fishing lines; then I think I'd just buy a spool of 2lb. test Tryline XL green. It'll be about half that or even less. I'm glad I have enough leaders to last me for about a year or two if I keep it out of the bright sunlight. I'll still have to buy some heavy leaders for the trip south, but probably no more than two dozen tapered leaders, and some wire tippets.

gary

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Posted by squeakie on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:13 AM
 StephenLawson wrote:

 squeakie wrote:
  "I saw a third one in one of my Opsprey books. The whole shape was much different. In the Richthofen's Circus book look at Werner Voss's plane (#14 on page 39). There are several with the different tail fin. But looking in all of my Eduard Albatros kits (D.II, D.III, and D.V) there are only two different tail fins. Also in the Osprey Albatros Aces book they only show the two in the kits. gary

When you talk about tail fins you are discussing the tail skid support shroud.  The D.III types were shorter with a shallow angle at the rear edge.  The Alb. D V tail skid support shroud was longer with a deeper angle.  Interestingly enough this was a feature that the Austrian D.III types did have as well.

No I was refering to the rudder ontop. I drug out my other two WWI Ospry books, and they don't show the third tail assembly in them. The odd tail is longer (looks that way anyway), not as tall, and maybe hangs back further. Also more rounded than the others. It's for sure on the D.III's. No matter what it's not included in any of the kits I have.

gary

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Posted by StephenLawson on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 6:13 AM

Greetings all I am in the home stretch on the Junkers J.I.

 

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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Posted by StephenLawson on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 6:16 AM

 squeakie wrote:
  "No I was refering to the rudder on top. I drug out my other two WWI Ospry books, and they don't show the third tail assembly in them. . .  No matter what it's not included in any of the kits I have. gary

 I see you were refering to the rudder stabilizer.

 

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Posted by Luftwoller on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 6:29 AM

Nice stuff Stephen. I love anything made out of corrugated iron LOL. Homestretch now. I thought i was on the home stretch untill i hit the rib tapes. Geez heaven help anyone doing a Gotha or similar. Anyhoo, i thought id do an update. Not much to see eccept ive decalled it. The instructions were a little vague as to wether this model had a /2 black tail underside. So ive gone with a white tail. I think it looks pretty cool.

The lower wing is rib taped and the top is halfway there. Thats why im posing. Need a break. I also had a crack at propellor painting. They all still need a varnish coat but what do you reckon looks best A,B or C  Oak, 2 ply or 3 ply LOL. I like the oak look personally.

Oh, and a word of warning to you all. While holding a scalpel (With a new blade i add) dont scratch your annoying beard.

...Guy

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 6:45 AM

Man, you fellas are really flying along with your builds!  I really can't wiat until Firday when I can start my Albatros.  You two will probably be done by then, LOL. 

Stephen- I see you are up to your usual tricks, turning out gorgeous builds- well done! Big Smile [:D]

Guy- You daft Englishman you!  Be careful mate!  We don't want to lose you to a modeling accident. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]  Excellent work, I like the look of "A" as well. Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ludwig113 on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 9:07 AM
 squeakie wrote:
 ludwig113 wrote:
 Simon L wrote:
 ludwig113 wrote:

ok,so maybe i started a little early as well!,but only a couple of daysSmile [:)]

i'm doing the fokker dr.1 dual combo and i thought as i'm doing one i might as well build both at the same time.one has a lighter interior than the other as i didn't know which one i would like and very slight weathering.

i havn't decided on the colour schemes yet but one will probably be udets.

p.s. i can see i'm going to end up buying a couple more of these dr.1 dual combo kits as they go together really well.

 

I'm doing an Eduard Dr1 also, I have the combp, but just building one at the moment. Ludwig - any clues on the 'streaky olive green finish '? I haven't built a WW1 kit for about 30 years ! Having fun with wood graining. Light brown overpainted with clear orange seems to be working well.

Cheers

 

hi,

i've actually got some "streaky" decals that i'm going to use,there not totally correct but i really like them.

if your painting by hand,the base colour should be "doped linen" with the olive green steaks over the top.

i also went the easier route with the wood grain as well by using decalsSmile [:)]

just a note: I found dope linen in the Poly Scale rack along with the Fokker dark green (505038). But alas they were out of the doped linen! Does anybody sell wood grain decales? Something like you might want to use on a Albatross.

gary

 

hi squeakie,

i got my wood grain here http://www.spada-decals.com/cariboost1/crbst_2.html

there pretty good but VERY thin decals.

paul

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Posted by Mobious on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:30 PM

 Hey luftwoller. Very nice work with the decals, and all the props look great, I've always liked the ply look. Top notch work. Won't be scratching my face with a scalpel anytime soon. Thanks for the warning.

 Stephen, The camo looks great. Very nice work on the pit detailing. Was the Junkers D.1 the first all metal monoplane? It looks like a pretty radical change in aeronautics for the time.

 Mobious 

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Posted by satisfaction on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 5:17 PM

Well time for an update of my little Nieuports.  Man 1/72 photoetch is tiny, have to be extra careful of the carpet monster.  Building this two little ladies in tandem, helps when doing messy steps with oils to only have to clean up once.  Here is the kit:

Got a good preview of this build by doing a bagged Ni 17 also by Eduard, same molds and all.  Here are the goodies when I opened her up:

I'll use my trusty penny for a size reference.  Here is the fuesalge half with Mr. Lincoln.

The basic kit has the detail molded on.  It is perfectly acceptable, and will mostly not be seen....however where is the fun in THAT?!  So time to use some of the PE.  First step is to cut/sand off the detail shown here.  One half is done and primed to show more sanding to be done the other remains to be done.

The next step was to build the seats, rudder pedals and control stick.  I used the PE seats which involved bending the backs into a half circle and folding up the PE seat base.  Hard to describe but the result was well worth it.  Rudder pedals were cut off plastic and PE ones attached, pretty vanilla to do.  Finally control stick put in.  The wood was also done at this time, and it seems to have come out well.  It is wood MM acrylic base with multi colored brownish oils over the top.  I streaked the oils until desired effect came out.  Did all the wood in the cockpits at the same time as this is messy, slow and must dry for awhile before any handling.  Here are some shots of the results:

Seats also have PE seatbelts.  I will give it a dark wash (probably raw umber) once it is totally dry.  Think Abe likes em.

Hard to really see the wood at this size without being there in person, but oh well.

All this is missing is one dark wash and a little semi gloss to hide that little bit of glue "shine".  I'll do that after I add the PE detail to the fuesalge walls, but that will be another post.  Thanks for reading.

 Andrew

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Posted by StephenLawson on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 5:43 PM

 Mobious wrote:
". . . Stephen, The camo looks great. Very nice work on the pit detailing. Was the Junkers D.I the first all metal monoplane? It looks like a pretty radical change in aeronautics for the time. Mobious 

Thank You.  I still have a small vent system and empty shell ejector chutes.  As for the very radical truss and spar structure it was the first all metal production aircraft.  Dr. Junkers had  prototypes J.1 - 9.  Then he began production on his all metal 2 seater.   Aside from a couple of typographical erros the Datafile #131 is an excellent buy if your looking for info in the Junkers aircraft in WWI.

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:37 PM
satisfaction- Man, those things are TINY!  I am stunned by the detail you are packing into those little gems.  Those seats, WOW!  Incredible work. Bow [bow]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Mobious on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 9:18 PM

 satisfaction, when I seen the phrase 1/72 Photoetch, I had to look. Looks great! Way to tiny for my fat fingers. I think I see Abraham grinning. The Eduard kit looks pretty good too.

 Stephen, The datafile series looks interesting, a valuable source of reference. I'll have to pick up a few of them.

 Mobious

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Posted by squeakie on Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:35 AM
 StephenLawson wrote:

 squeakie wrote:
  "No I was refering to the rudder on top. I drug out my other two WWI Ospry books, and they don't show the third tail assembly in them. . .  No matter what it's not included in any of the kits I have. gary

 I see you were refering to the rudder stabilizer.

look at the 2005 group build patch. It's shaped more or less like that one. Looks to be much longer and shorter. Nothing like the normal two we so often see.

gary

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Posted by Luftwoller on Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:45 AM

Great work in the braille scale Andrew. Eduard deffo give you the works in those Du8al combo kits. Looks superb so far.

...Guy

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Posted by StephenLawson on Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:53 AM

Greetings all its done.  Frank, please mark me down for my first finished build for KOTS II.

 

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Posted by Luftwoller on Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:59 AM

Nice work Stephen, Shes a honey. Strange how the 'Innovators' of excellent camoflage in later years, decided Purple would be a good disguise in the air LOL.

...Guy

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Posted by Daywalker on Thursday, January 8, 2009 7:21 AM
Well done Stephen!  I like the look of that one a lot.  Is there a photo you would like me to use when I do the compilation post at the end of the GB, or should I use one of the collages?

Frank 

 

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Posted by satisfaction on Thursday, January 8, 2009 7:23 AM
Really nice looking build on that Junkers, especially the articulated control surfaces which add a great touch.  From a structural point of view that sure is a unique looking bird, like so many other WW1 planes.  Corrugated metal gives me a headache after spending days getting that old Monogram Tri motor wings to line up right.
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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:01 AM
Really nice clean build Stephen, and a really nice choice of subject too.

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Luftwoller on Thursday, January 8, 2009 10:36 AM

Well, im calling this one done. It went together with minimum of fuss, the only problems were self inflicted. I found the decals a bit of a bind for sure, but instead of putting me off this sort of covering im raring for another go at it. Perhaps i can make a neater job second time round. As i said earlier, i have a large box of smoke and mirrors which came in usefull while photographing it.

I liked this plane as it was the most garish of the offerings in the box.

Went with the Good old English Oak prop BTW,

Dont know what this sucker is, but looks cool.

Sorry for all the pics. Great GB, Frank. If i get time (Other GB commitments) ill build something else. Perhaps a Gotha, mmmmm

...Guy

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, January 8, 2009 10:55 AM

Stephen, excellent work my friend! You've gotten this GB off to a great start! Love the subject too .... not something we see on a daily basis.

Guy, let me be the first to congratulate you on a superlative build. I had contemplated doing that scheme on my first D.VII, but wanted to take a shot at that wild streaked fuselage camo. Yours looks very impressive, and I'm glad all that lozenge decal work hasn't put you off on the idea of building another one somewhere down the road. Great work! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

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Posted by squeakie on Thursday, January 8, 2009 1:15 PM
 StephenLawson wrote:

Greetings all its done.  Frank, please mark me down for my first finished build for KOTS II.

I really like that paint job. Know very little if anything about the airplane, but I find it interesting.

gary

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Posted by StephenLawson on Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:03 PM

 Luftwoller wrote:
Nice work Stephen, Shes a honey. Strange how the 'Innovators' of excellent camoflage in later years, decided Purple would be a good disguise in the air LOL . . .Guy

The whole Mauve thing developed from the industrial revolution and the chemical development of cheaper costing dyes.

 

Stachel...unconfirmed by Armee means unconfirmed!!!!

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