The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

Son Of Medicine Man

 

jimbot58:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

jimbot58:

 

Eatthis: Great work! You accomplish in a few hours what takes me a month to do!

I have had little time to work on the kits this week as reality has intruded too much into my life and distracted me from my real work of building models. I did manage to work a bit on the intakes for both the "G" and pre-assembly painting of the intakes for the "F". I also cleaned up some areas inside that show all too well on the already assembled "G". The intakes end, unfortunately, at a blank wall and I don't want to add anything there other than painting it darker so to fool the eye as to what should be there. OOB is what I am doing here.

I do have an important question ask as to the painting. I assume the exterior colors continue a ways into the intakes, but I have been unable to locate decent photos to show me maybe how far. If someone has info, it would help me finish this and my builds could kick into gear!

Jim

 

 

Hi Jim,

Just like Rich said, that was a good discussion on this very build.  It starts on page 12 of this build.  Enjoy!

Ken

 

 

Actually, my question was one of distance, not color! The white is the color I'm using and wondered where it begins! Where would it transition? At the lip? 6 inches in? Twelve? 13.4 feet? A yard? Infinity? I would think the exterior color would carry into the inside a little ways I'm sure! I went through page 12 and hue was discussed, not what I was seeking to find out!

 

 

Hi Jim,

That answer was on the next page, page 13.  Sorry about that.

Ken

Thanks, Ken.

I knew there had been a discussion about the intakes but couldn't remember how far back. And at the lightning speeds my lame, old 'puter loads pages, searching was going to be a bit daunting...

Ken, nice work on the cockpit tub.  Looks great.

Eatthis, your Showtime 100 came out great. 

berny13

Bockscar, did you get the AM radome yet?  Is it solid resin or hollow on the inside?  I am building my Revell F-4E with the radome open and the radar package extended so I would need a hollow radome for my project. 

I got the answer.  I ordered one Thursday and got it delivered Saturday.  It is solid resin.  I will use it on my RoG F-4F.

Haven't got much work done on my build for the last couple of weeks.  Been doing a lot of yard work while the weather will allow it. 

jimbot58

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

jimbot58:

 

Eatthis: Great work! You accomplish in a few hours what takes me a month to do!

I have had little time to work on the kits this week as reality has intruded too much into my life and distracted me from my real work of building models. I did manage to work a bit on the intakes for both the "G" and pre-assembly painting of the intakes for the "F". I also cleaned up some areas inside that show all too well on the already assembled "G". The intakes end, unfortunately, at a blank wall and I don't want to add anything there other than painting it darker so to fool the eye as to what should be there. OOB is what I am doing here.

I do have an important question ask as to the painting. I assume the exterior colors continue a ways into the intakes, but I have been unable to locate decent photos to show me maybe how far. If someone has info, it would help me finish this and my builds could kick into gear!

Jim

 

 

Hi Jim,

Just like Rich said, that was a good discussion on this very build.  It starts on page 12 of this build.  Enjoy!

Ken

 

Actually, my question was one of distance, not color! The white is the color I'm using and wondered where it begins! Where would it transition? At the lip? 6 inches in? Twelve? 13.4 feet? A yard? Infinity? I would think the exterior color would carry into the inside a little ways I'm sure! I went through page 12 and hue was discussed, not what I was seeking to find out!

Hi Jim,

That answer was on the next page, page 13.  Sorry about that.

Ken

Jimbot -- I think I remember Berny mentioning a wrap of the outside colour into the intake of about 6" IIRC... There's a museum restoration with a wrap of a foot or more but this is incorrect... (NB: Both of these pertain to US schemes.)

Cheers, M/TB379

Son Of Medicine Man

 

jimbot58:

 

Eatthis: Great work! You accomplish in a few hours what takes me a month to do!

I have had little time to work on the kits this week as reality has intruded too much into my life and distracted me from my real work of building models. I did manage to work a bit on the intakes for both the "G" and pre-assembly painting of the intakes for the "F". I also cleaned up some areas inside that show all too well on the already assembled "G". The intakes end, unfortunately, at a blank wall and I don't want to add anything there other than painting it darker so to fool the eye as to what should be there. OOB is what I am doing here.

I do have an important question ask as to the painting. I assume the exterior colors continue a ways into the intakes, but I have been unable to locate decent photos to show me maybe how far. If someone has info, it would help me finish this and my builds could kick into gear!

Jim

 

 

Hi Jim,

Just like Rich said, that was a good discussion on this very build.  It starts on page 12 of this build.  Enjoy!

Ken

Actually, my question was one of distance, not color! The white is the color I'm using and wondered where it begins! Where would it transition? At the lip? 6 inches in? Twelve? 13.4 feet? A yard? Infinity? I would think the exterior color would carry into the inside a little ways I'm sure! I went through page 12 and hue was discussed, not what I was seeking to find out!

That's okay, Bocks, I always fancied one of those!

Cheers, M/TB379

Bockscar

I forgot to mention....I got more lumber planked to the floor of my Flugel. I'll spare you all the anticipation of the pictures this time around, it's just way, way, too exciting for a Saturday night!!!

Hey I know this is way off topic, but it's for Rich, so please allow me to hijack for just a split second:

actually, ehr....ummm.....yeah, designed by the same engineers that designed the F-4! That's the ticket!

Mike, promise not to do that again in your GB thread!

I wish I had one of those for the Wild Wings Build, in Air Force Thunderbird Markings with Blue LEDs in the dome and a lit up cabin. lol

I forgot to mention....I got more lumber planked to the floor of my Flugel. I'll spare you all the anticipation of the pictures this time around, it's just way, way, too exciting for a Saturday night!!!

Hey I know this is way off topic, but it's for Rich, so please allow me to hijack for just a split second:

actually, ehr....ummm.....yeah, designed by the same engineers that designed the F-4! That's the ticket!

Mike, promise not to do that again in your GB thread!

mississippivol

Gunsight?! I don't need no freakin' gunsight!

That set up would make so much shakee puddin' you prolly couldn't even see the freaking gunsight!

Hey  Eatthis , slow down pal!, yo'r killin' me out here! -Great work!!!

ET: Great looking Rhino!

Ken: That cockpit is starting to really shape up

I got the 34102 shot on my SEA scheme today, hoping to mask and shoot the 34079 tomorrow...it's not too photoworthy with all the tape on her. I'll tell you one thing; using pictures to lay down the masking, the variety of ways this scheme was shot is tremendous. I couldn't find two aircraft that looked exactly the same. Makes me feel better 'bout how I'm masking mine.

Glenn

Hi Everyone!

Well work continues on my cockpit.  I cut the resin base off of the tub:

And I cut the resin base off of the front instrument panel:

Rex, that saw you recomended worked great except for working on large pieces like the cockpit tub.  I had to purchase a large (1 3/16" x 5 1/2") saw blade to cut it off with.

I went to my third IPMS meeting last night.  I really enjoy going to them.  It is a small group and everyone is really great to talk with.  I found out last night what my next build is going to be after this one!  It turns out that one of the IPMS member's planes has a set of decals made for it.  His name is Don James and the plane is the F-84E "Hoosier Hotshot".  The decals are made by Strike Eagle and I just ordered a set.  Don said he has a bunch of photos of his plane that he will bring to the next monthly meeting.  I can't wait!  Way too cool!  It also turns out that I already have the Revell 1/48 F-84E in my stash.  I am going to bring it to our next meeting so Don can point out any changes that need to be made to make it authentic.  It is like knowing a super star personally!

Ken

jimbot58

Eatthis: Great work! You accomplish in a few hours what takes me a month to do!

I have had little time to work on the kits this week as reality has intruded too much into my life and distracted me from my real work of building models. I did manage to work a bit on the intakes for both the "G" and pre-assembly painting of the intakes for the "F". I also cleaned up some areas inside that show all too well on the already assembled "G". The intakes end, unfortunately, at a blank wall and I don't want to add anything there other than painting it darker so to fool the eye as to what should be there. OOB is what I am doing here.

I do have an important question ask as to the painting. I assume the exterior colors continue a ways into the intakes, but I have been unable to locate decent photos to show me maybe how far. If someone has info, it would help me finish this and my builds could kick into gear!

Jim

Hi Jim,

Just like Rich said, that was a good discussion on this very build.  It starts on page 12 of this build.  Enjoy!

Ken

The Intake Interior color has been a bone of contention here for a bit.  According to our experts, the US planes all have a flat white interior, but on my RAF bird it looks more like a medium gray in the images I have seen online.

jimbot58

Eatthis: Great work! You accomplish in a few hours what takes me a month to do!

I have had little time to work on the kits this week as reality has intruded too much into my life and distracted me from my real work of building models. I did manage to work a bit on the intakes for both the "G" and pre-assembly painting of the intakes for the "F". I also cleaned up some areas inside that show all too well on the already assembled "G". The intakes end, unfortunately, at a blank wall and I don't want to add anything there other than painting it darker so to fool the eye as to what should be there. OOB is what I am doing here.

I do have an important question ask as to the painting. I assume the exterior colors continue a ways into the intakes, but I have been unable to locate decent photos to show me maybe how far. If someone has info, it would help me finish this and my builds could kick into gear!

Jim

Eatthis: Great work! You accomplish in a few hours what takes me a month to do!

I have had little time to work on the kits this week as reality has intruded too much into my life and distracted me from my real work of building models. I did manage to work a bit on the intakes for both the "G" and pre-assembly painting of the intakes for the "F". I also cleaned up some areas inside that show all too well on the already assembled "G". The intakes end, unfortunately, at a blank wall and I don't want to add anything there other than painting it darker so to fool the eye as to what should be there. OOB is what I am doing here.

I do have an important question ask as to the painting. I assume the exterior colors continue a ways into the intakes, but I have been unable to locate decent photos to show me maybe how far. If someone has info, it would help me finish this and my builds could kick into gear!

Jim

Gunsight?! I don't need no freakin' gunsight!

Bockscar

Thunderbolt379:

Eatthis -- superb work, that big Showtime 100 is a real eye-catcher! Congrats on a great piece of work -- page 1 is updated and you have our third completion.

SH -- "Room broom" is a term that goes back way before the Atchison came along (IIRC), I first heard it attached to the original Ingram MAC-10 of about 1968, designed for aggressively resolving student sit-ins...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

 

Back in WWI there was this device, invented by Tommy, simply known as "The Broom."

Used successfully in WWII as well. Tommy sure made a lot of introductions!

I wonder what and F-4 would look like with 5 M61's.

Hey Dominic, would that make it a Mig "Disintegrator"? 

Ken

Thunderbolt379

Eatthis -- superb work, that big Showtime 100 is a real eye-catcher! Congrats on a great piece of work -- page 1 is updated and you have our third completion.

SH -- "Room broom" is a term that goes back way before the Atchison came along (IIRC), I first heard it attached to the original Ingram MAC-10 of about 1968, designed for aggressively resolving student sit-ins...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

Back in WWI there was this device, invented by Tommy, simply known as "The Broom."

Used successfully in WWII as well. Tommy sure made a lot of introductions!

I wonder what and F-4 would look like with 5 M61's.

TarnShip

haha,,,,,,,,yeah, I had Thud G's back in the day,,,,,,,,NMF early 105's too,,,,,,,but, since I "cut down" the collection,,,,,,,I gave almost all of my now off-topic built ups to my nephews, and sold off the non-Naval unbilt kits,,,,,except for the F-4's and a few trainers

it had gotten out of hand for display space and stash storage space,,,,,,,,I actually had more USAF and WW II aircraft done than Scooters

worked like a charm (lol),,,,,,,I am down to only 400+ kits now, and almost everything gets my preferred Lt Gull Gray,,,,,,,,,well, except for that,,,,,,and that,,,,,,,and those,,,,,and the ASAT Eagle,,,,,and that,,,,,,and gotta have a couple of Sabres,,,,,,not a Spit or Zero left in the whole house, now though,,,,,,,,they've been replaced by Phantom FG 1 and FGR 2,,,,,and F-4EJ Kai,,,,,,and stuff

yeah, really worked great

Rex (shaking my head at myself)

Rex....does this mean there's hope for me?

After my 115th kit, I made a solemn pledge to shed one kit for every new one I "acquired." That would keep things in a kind of equilibrium.

Well, ahem, I think it's up around 250 now, and I kicked myself for getting rid of a small pile of 70's and 80's kits.

I just managed to pull in a couple of F-4F's and AM parts, so far from helping me control my habit, this Group Build is "enabling" my "styroholism."

My big thrill of the week: I found a 4' by 8' sheet of 0.125" styrene, same grade as Evergreen, for $50. I had it cut into 2 by 4's. I needed it like Jones because I am going to build.....a future project as yet undetermined!

But since I was gouged almost $18 for a sheet about 8" by 18", I figured my arithmetic got the better of me!

Hey Tarbender, another litre of MEK! Nah you keep the olives pal!

Yeah I've got a pile of Brit stuff,  my Hurri build was interrupted by this F-4F...and yeah, that ASAT Eagle and a couple of Sabres on the horizon...

Eatthis -- superb work, that big Showtime 100 is a real eye-catcher! Congrats on a great piece of work -- page 1 is updated and you have our third completion.

SH -- "Room broom" is a term that goes back way before the Atchison came along (IIRC), I first heard it attached to the original Ingram MAC-10 of about 1968, designed for aggressively resolving student sit-ins...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

haha,,,,,,,,yeah, I had Thud G's back in the day,,,,,,,,NMF early 105's too,,,,,,,but, since I "cut down" the collection,,,,,,,I gave almost all of my now off-topic built ups to my nephews, and sold off the non-Naval unbilt kits,,,,,except for the F-4's and a few trainers

it had gotten out of hand for display space and stash storage space,,,,,,,,I actually had more USAF and WW II aircraft done than Scooters

worked like a charm (lol),,,,,,,I am down to only 400+ kits now, and almost everything gets my preferred Lt Gull Gray,,,,,,,,,well, except for that,,,,,,and that,,,,,,,and those,,,,,and the ASAT Eagle,,,,,and that,,,,,,and gotta have a couple of Sabres,,,,,,not a Spit or Zero left in the whole house, now though,,,,,,,,they've been replaced by Phantom FG 1 and FGR 2,,,,,and F-4EJ Kai,,,,,,and stuff

yeah, really worked great

Rex (shaking my head at myself)

Well, My Aires Mk7 Martin Baker ejection seats came today.  I think I will probably use the verlinden ones on my Testors Wild Weasel.  The Aires are for the RAF Bird.

Lol.  If the Atchinson Automatic Shotgun is called a room broom.  I guess the appropriate name for the F4 with 15 miniguns would be the Mall Mop...

Son Of Medicine Man

 

oddmanrush:

 

What kind of mission would a Phantom bearing 15 miniguns participate in? Ground attack I would presume but I mean, that's not very, uh, versatile eh?

Either that or he's lookin' to dog fight every Mig in the alley....

 

 

That would make it a Mig "perforator" instead of a Mig "Killer"! 

Ken

Yeah Ken;  

"No Rivet Left Alive!"

TarnShip

regarding test aircraft,,,,,for the Phantom there is no real need to do whifs,,,,,,,there are plenty of "totally accurate ringers" to do first,,,,although I have thought of doing a Navalised F-4E lately, lol

if you search around you'll find lots of Phantom pics like O's bird,,,,,,Genie during tests, Nuke Bullpup during those tests,,,,,,real HOBOS on USAF,  and real combos of LGB's and guide pods,,,,,,,,TERs on the outboard on F-4J's,,,,all kinds of things that were either one-offs for testing,,,,,or even fairly common, but rarely photographed,,,,,,,,or mentioned in text, but never see a pic

I have a distinct fondness for the VF-74 B's with 6x Sparrows,,,,,and the Vietnam jets with Sparrow on one wing and Sidewinder on the other,,,,,,my other weakness is Weasels in "air show loads",,,,,with four different AGM's on the wing stations

Hey Rex, do you have a weakness for 'T' Birds, er, Thuds?

I have more of them than the Air Force does now!

Oh yeah ......"Nuke Bullpup"...... hmmm,,,,,I'ld like to take that dog for a walk........siccuuuummm pupppy!

regarding test aircraft,,,,,for the Phantom there is no real need to do whifs,,,,,,,there are plenty of "totally accurate ringers" to do first,,,,although I have thought of doing a Navalised F-4E lately, lol

if you search around you'll find lots of Phantom pics like O's bird,,,,,,Genie during tests, Nuke Bullpup during those tests,,,,,,real HOBOS on USAF,  and real combos of LGB's and guide pods,,,,,,,,TERs on the outboard on F-4J's,,,,all kinds of things that were either one-offs for testing,,,,,or even fairly common, but rarely photographed,,,,,,,,or mentioned in text, but never see a pic

I have a distinct fondness for the VF-74 B's with 6x Sparrows,,,,,and the Vietnam jets with Sparrow on one wing and Sidewinder on the other,,,,,,my other weakness is Weasels in "air show loads",,,,,with four different AGM's on the wing stations

very nice looking build of a famous aircraft

Phantoms look really good on the "finished shelf", don't they

Rex

its done :)

went together fairly well and suprisingly quickly

Thanks Berny, very interesting! Some times, though, when I'm in heavy traffic, it would be nice to have 15 SUU's strapped to the roof of the car