Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

Nathan: Now that you mention it: Yes, the kit includes a different fuselages and one of them seems to be bulged out a bit on the nose. It includes 2 sets of wings: one set with wing root guns only (D-9) and one with 2 guns per wing (D-11). I think this makes my kit-bashing questions obsolete...

Would a D-9 cockpit PE set fit a D-13? If not, why?

Your right Joe, That is one of the things I liked about the build I chose, there is quit a bit of bare metal on the wings underside,  what I had read on this time period they were lucky to have primer on them, and most all camo was field applied.

Joe Rix: Man I'll tell you if there's one person here thats having as much trouble with their build as I started out with its definitely gotta be you! I know it'll all work out because you are persistent as seen with the last repair you did. Can't wait to see the recovery pics.

Clemens:Cant help you much with the parts you need right off hand but can do some more research on it. That is definitely a cool paint scheme though. I can see what looks like a bare metal lower wing with different shades of gray and  RLM 76 ailerons. Really cool!!

Clemens: Are you sure the D-11/13 combo includes the proper fuselage for the D-9? I thought both the D-11, 13 used the larger Jumo engine and therefore the nose bulged out on the sides, and I know Eduard molded different fuselages to account for this. Also, does the Dual combo kit include D-9 wings??

Or are you kitbashing using your weekend D-9 kit?

P.S. Yellow 10 is a pretty cool scheme, I plan on entering with My D-13 soon with the black chevron scheme.

I just had a look at the sprues of my D-9/D-11 Dual Combo and was kinda surprised

The box includes all the parts you need to build a D-9 and a D-11, but it also includes all the parts to convert one of them to a D-13...

I am thinking of building this one instead of the D-9:

All i need to do for this conversion is to modify the nose of my D-9 weekend edition: I need to close the cutouts for the MG barrels and sand some raised spots smooth and then replace the MG hood with the flat one seen on the D-13. I have only one problem: The kit only includes a single flat MG hood, but I need two of them. Do you have any ideas on how to get a 2nd one? I'd prefer to not cast another one in resin, because I never tried doing it and don't have the materials needed either...

Greg, Clemens,  thanks for the comments.  can't wait to finish this one.

Joe:  Ya, step away from the model!   I know if I get to that point and I keep trying because I  "want to fix it" i usually make it worse.

John

John: Outstanding work!

Greg: Thanks a lot! If you see a Thunderbolt somewhere, please take lots of pics. I don't know of any museum in Austria or any country nearby that has one a Jug...

Joe: Hang in there buddy. I'm sure it's going to end well! Just take a break from your 190 and continue work after some time...

Joe (Rix), Oh no! re the glosscoat. That is heartbreaking after your outstanding repair job. Sorry to bring up bad subject, but curious what gloss coat brand made that happen? That  Murphy seems to have struck again. Keep your chin up, buddy.

Seattle's Museum of Flight added to my potential travel log, thank you. Wouldn't have known it existed otherwise.

Clemens, rest assured, if I make the stops, the camera will accompany me, and I will share some pics here.

Doug and Darren, sorry to have confused. I talk (and write) backwards sometimes.  For whatever reason, I thought Doug had painted (base-coated, really)  the wings and fuselage exteriors prior to assembling them. I'm not sure what made me think that. But I'm glad I asked even though I've embarrassed myself!

John, she is looking great, buddy!

John... coming along good!

Joe, I was about to say good recovery, and then OOPS!, lve had issues like that, usually comes from trying to (accidently in most cases) spraying lacquer over enamel, but alot of clear coats have a keytone, or MEK base now which will "bite" most any kind of enamel based paints. Sorry bro, but I no of no way to repair such damage. I had painted a tool box for someone in realistic flame, it came out fantastic, I had used a water based candy with a black lacquer (gloss) base, well I had ran out of unethane top coat (clear) abd OOPS! I bought some hardware gloss urethane in a spray can, and the entire project wrinkled! Total strip down and re-paint!  Just telling you this cuz I just dont know what else to do. Sorry bro...

Excellent save Joe!!! Looks like nothing ever happend!

Cals look good John!

Very, very nice looking John. You are doing an outstanding job there.

Well, All I can say is I am knowing nothing but dismay. Went to apply some gloss cote over my repair job and for some reason it orange peeled and pitted on me. I know not how to fix that. I guess that is what I get for trying to short cut things with a spray can of some unproven brand. Yet, it had worked great the first coat I applied. Time to step away from the bench and take a deep breath.

Well here's a short update on my 190.  Didn't get much done over the weekend, just the rest of the decals on.  Hopefully I will be able to flat coat it and start some weathering on it.

John

Nice recovery Rix. Definately worth all the effort of sanding and re-scribing/masking.

Doug I'm liking the way the Dora's looking. The cockpit looks great and all that detail firewall forward is really gonna set the model apart!

Good save Joe! I just went back a few pages to see what the problem was and you recovered that one very nicely.

Cheers

Joe  That sounds like a fantastic trip and I really glad your wife enjoyed it.  I’ve only managed to haul SWMBO to an air show a couple of times and she had as much fun as she does when I force her to enter a model shop with me, ie none .

Greg  I’m with Doug here in that I’m a little confused re your post.  It would be extremely difficult to paint things like the cockpit, engine wheel wells, etc  after you have assembled the kit.  My normal sequence is:

• Build up sub assembles that require individual painting, things like instrument panel, cockpit tub, landing gear, engine, prop.
• Paint and detail these bits and pieces
• Assemble the rest of the kit
• Mask off the cockpit, wheel wells and engine
• Paint and weather the aircraft

Cheers

Fantastic work, mate! Looks like nothing happened at all! No I hope I can do the same thing with my Tamiya Wildcat and all those rivets I sanded smooth... (my Gunze paint seems to sand without any problems or chipping though)

Ta Da! The paint pull up debacle is repaired and repainted. Sheesh, can I get back to decaling now?

Guys... Thank you again for the kind words, I'm very pleased so far with the way "White 12" is going together.

Joe... Man, What a trip that would be! The nearest I ever got to anything that cool was while visiting London one of the times I went. I cant remember the names of the museums but I think 1 was the Royal war museun and they had an amazing collection of aircraft and such the other one was also around London and also had an amazing collection. The one thing I most loved was to trod the decks of the HMS Belfast. One of the ships that hunt down and sank the Bismark.

Greg, I'm a bit confusede, I always paint the pit, motor and such first, its just easier to do then mask, then try to paint after assy, I never paint the fuse and wings etc... until assy. I know some do, but I dont know how they do it, then assy and possibly touch up after assy? Take care guys! Have a great week!

Doug

How about taking some pics for us, Greg?

Darren: I have to get me one of those kits. Thanks for the pics! Your A-7 looks really good BTW!

Greg - Boy, I sure hope you get that opportunity. Should you actually head that way then you will also want to go to the Museum of Flight in Seattle. I went there 3 yrs ago and it is absolutely fabulous. It's right near the airport. Here's a link for you to get the ole juices flowing:

http://www.museumofflight.org/

Darren - Thanks for the sprue pics. That was enough to get me to pull the trigger on this kit. Ordered it off ebay today.

Doug, she is looking amazing. Really appreciate being able to watch your build in progress.

Today's dumb question: It seems most folks assemble the fuselage, wings, horiz stabs, fill, sand, then prime or paint. It appears you painted first and I am curious why. I pre-painted on my last build, because there was a paint color change at the wing root line, and the fit was so perfect seemed easier than masking. But that's obviously not the case here. Note that I am in the early stages of developing a sense of order regarding build sequence (beyond following the instructions), and that is why I ask.

Joe, really cool that your boss developed a sense of deeper appreciation of your love of aircraft and building. Luftwaffe Day. I'm sitting her imagining all of us meeting there for a day. That would be awesome. :)

So glad you posted this. I am traveling to Sacramento in Oct, and if my better half goes with me, half-planning a drive to Vancouver, with multiple stops. Everett just got added to my stop list.

Darren, I'm new, so it is seems awkward to welcome you to the GB, however, welcome to the GB! I am eager to watch your progress. This will be my first Luftwaffe build, your Tamiya kit was the other kit I was considering (ended up getting a Hasegawa).

G'Day Darren,

It's been a while. Very glad to see you in this GB.

Cheers

Tony

Thanks everybody for the warm welcome to the build, I am sure it's going to be a lot of fun,

Rigidrider that's some awesome looking detail you are packing into what I assume is the Eduard D-9, please keep the updates coming.

Here's my obligatory open box shot that I took last night before I started snipping parts from the sprues.

Overall the kit is very much like the Tamiya Fw190 A-8 which I backdated to A-7 configuration a few years ago.  It was a lot of fun and an easy build which is really what I'm looking forward to with this one.

Doug - I have to say that you are out doing yourself on this one. Simply remarkable detailing and fantastic painting. It really is a pleasure to see your work.

 Okay, This is simply unbelievable. My wife skyped me from Seattle last night and tells me "We're going to a vintage airshow tomorrow. And I so wish you were here." She wasn't really sure  what exactly it was all about just that my stepson in law wanted to go. I told her that was awesome. to enjoy herself and take lots of pictures for me. Well, she skypes me today to tell me that she felt really really bad that I was not there as they went to the Flying Heritage Museum in Everett, Wash. to see Luftwaffe Day. Yup, she got to see a Storch, Me 109 E-3, and this,

the only flying FW 190 A-5 in the world. Each of them doing a flight demonstration. I was dumb founded. She said that she now has a much better appreciation for my passion for aircraft and modeling. She thoroughly enjoyed herself. Not to mention she said" Wow, they're louder than a NASCAR race". That's my gal. If you are not familiar with this museum check out their website. They also have the only FW 190 D-13 in existence. They don't fly it due to it's rarity. Needless to say I will be going there at X-mas.

Rigidrider:Doug. First off.......Dude!!! That friggin looks awesome!!! Really lovin the detail and the work involved there!! Secondly...I had the same problem with the wing roots at the back of the wing. The fix.............Eduard PE set 48 556. There is a reinforcement strap that lays in perfect and covers it all up and it looks bad A!! This set has all kinds of goodies too for your next Eduard build. Really great set I'll tell you. Back to the original compliment though. Man she's a beaut!!!!

That's some exceptional work, buddy! You make it all look so easy...

I hope I can get all those cockpits finished before September (I have to go on a 3-week trip in September, so no bench time for me...)

Alrighty Then... Had a fairly good build day today It rained most of the day so I got out my Home Beer Brew Kit, Got a batch of beer brewing and fermenting, and sat down at the bench... All in all a pretty good day, the only thing I'm a bit disapointed with so far is the ugly gap that had opened up at the wing root on both sides, easily fixed with some strip styrene, but a gap none the less. Any way, here are some more pics...

Darren - Thank You for the info. That it has a flat canopy coupled with decals for an Italian desert scheme makes this immensely interesting to me. I may just have to go that route for a second build. For Crying Out Loud! What am I saying. The last thing I need is another dadgum kit. Oh well, That hasn't stopped me yet. Besides, there seems to be this overwhelming desire here to model mottling. All this obssesion with modeling of mottling and not a single desert scheme. What's up with that.

JOE RIX

Hey Darren, Can you answer a question I have about that kit? Does it come with both the flat and blown canopy options? Thank you, Joe

Yes it sure does, along with canopy masks for both types.  The kit only provides one front canopy section though.

falconmod

That kit gives you more than one paint/decal option doesn't it?

John

John the kit provides marking options for

Fw190 F-9 Munich 1945 with blown canopy - This is the bird that I'm doing

Fw190 F-8 Hungary winter 44-45 with blown canopy and a white tiger stripe camo scheme

Fw190 F-8 Italy 1944 Desert Scheme with flat canopy.

Cheers