Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

You mean paint masks for painting generic German markings? Were they vinyl? I've used Montex masks before which are vinyl, and they work good as long as you burnish down the edges and paint in light/mist coats so you dont' leave a paint ridge. Buying Masks all the time isn't always practical, and they can only be re-used so much, unless you tear them when taking them off the model Next time I use Eduard Decals I'll use a setting solution first and see if that helps. Silvering is usually operator error, but I'm a little suspicious because I've done nothing different and other decals usually work out fine for me. The glosscoat was smooth enough so I was a little surprised.

Thathen. It sounds like what your describing. The front of the books states decals and masking foil included. The decals come in 1/72. 1/48. 1/32 and the foil is only 1/32 a canopy mask letters and crosses. The decals don't have crosses but its all pretty cool the sets cover 5 - bf 109s and 3 - bf-110s.

Rigidrider....ya after looking at them it seems getting them strait would be a isue not mention how to lay them out colors wise. There no directions and it looks like there must be. Be 2 coloers layed out in 1 to 3 ways if that makes any sence.

The book its self is cool it covers the jagdeaffle over africa it has 5 pages on some history and 11 aircraft in color in a 2 page layout and a/c history then decals and foil mask. I have picked several of the for a/c and armor from squadron

Getting back to the 190 build I have the tail attached back on the aircraft and the intake for the supercharger and I'm going to make a wash with alcohol and water to vlean it up and hopefully get it primed today. Washing and primeing are somthing I normally don't do. I really trying to do somthing nice here so I'm going to give it the best shot I canim going srom toys in my youth to a nice display ....lol I hope.   :)

JOE RIX

Fellas, Thank You all very much for the compliments and encouraging words. Man, I've got a another round of catching up to do with all the incredible activity going on here.

Blackdog : Allow me to compliment you on your fortitude to repair the rudder. It appears that you are doing one heck of a job on the recovery.

Doug and Nathan: Again you both are demonstrating some excellent painting and detailing. It really is a pleasure to follow each of your builds.

Clemens: Alright, I just have to ask. Exactly how did you manage to empty your entire bottle of Micro Sol all over your room? Was some sort of launching involved? 

I couldn't have said this better myself.  Indeed fine work.  Joe, I like the silly putty mask and beautiful job on a challenging camo scheme.  I finally got some bench time in which afforded me the opportunity to get the frame painted, clearcoated, and decaled. 

I left off where I sprayed the yellow ID and theater markings.  I taped all of these off and started on the RLM 76.  I used Tamiya's recommended formula of XF-23 Light Blue, XF-2 Flat White, XF-66 Light Grey.  Its seemed a bit too light so I added a touch more grey.  I then added more XF-2 and streaked the surface to simulate condensation lines.  It then got a post shade and more streaking with dilluted XF-69 NATO Black and XF-64 Red Brown.  I concentrated on the exhausts and control surfaces. 

Nowotny's 190 was standard RLM 74, 75 over 76 that was repainted in field with RLM 70 and 71 uppers.  I use blue tac to define the fuselage demarcation line then sprayed Gunze Aqueous RLM 71 using the profile in the instructions as a reference (Eduard does a nice job with this...I find their instruction booklet great bathroom reading).  I really do like Gunze Aqueous.  It goes down smooth cut with Tamiya X-20 thinner.  What a shame they discontinued the Aqueous line.  What gives? 

After more streaking with the base color lightened with Tamiya Buff XF-57, I used more blue tac for the remainder of the line masking. 

Then Gunze RLM 70 was applied also lightened with Buff and streaked.

I removed all of the tape and was pleased with how the yellow markings turned out. Then using a picture as reference, I added some exhaust staining which consisted of Red Brown XF-64 and NATO Black XF-69 from each individual stub.   Heat was then simulated with XF-66 Light Grey.  I took my time and I got in close with low pressure.    

I shot the frame with a few coats of Alclad Gloss and let it dry for a few hours....yes...a few hours as opposed to days which is needed for other "floor care" products.  The Alclad product is great stuff.  I then used the kit decals and had no problems.  These were wonderful.  Even the normally difficult wing walk dots and prop spiral went in place without issue. 

It will get a Flory Wash soon and then it will be time to start the gears and such. 

Joe 

Exceptional work! Just beautiful!!!

That IS really nice work. I'm starting my French A-5. Here's the start.

There are two kits in the box, both unstarted. I'm doing just one of these. :)

Thank You Joe. That is some really fantastic work Joe. I really love the effect you achieved on your paint with the streaking technique. Looks awesome.

Nice start taxtp. You'll enjoy that 1/72 Hasegawa. The only issues I've had with mine were some fit issues at the front wing root and the wing fit at the very rear/bottom of the fuselage. Easily dealt with with putty. Looking forward to some more progress pics.

Your 190 looks perfect, Joe! Exceptional work! The streaking looks very convincing.

Goog to see you starting your build Tony,,, Good start.

Little more progress here...

Starting to do some of the fading and detail  work,(wear areas, scratches and chipping) This paint for some reason was being stubbourn, and after 3 treatments of 70% alcohol, wouldnt produce the look I was wanting, I hit it good with some 90% and it started to come around, and finally wound up mixing some Testors dull flat coat thinned with some 70% alcohol and it did what I was wanting it to do.

So far so good... Thats all for now, I will have a nice quite weekend to spend at the bench this week, so should have some more by weeks end... Take care!

Doug

I'm at work right now so I can't view pictures but rest assured, I'll be tuning in later, Joe

Lawdog Joe, I gotta tell you, that exterior work is crazy-good. Again, truly inspirational and also again, thanks for keeping up with the progress pics, my friend. Brilliant work on those condensation streaks, amongst other things.

BTW, as I understand it, the Gunze Aqueous line has not been discontinued, rather they are unable to sell it in the US due to the new labeling requirements. My guess is they cannot fit the required stuff on the container. I found it online a couple months ago, Hannants or some such place that would, at that time, ship to the US.

I bought a square jar of regular Testors enamel recently. All four side garbled up with stuff, have yet to find the color on it somewhere. Pitiful.

taxtp, there's a good start! Hope you enjoy the Hasegawa kit!

Doug, your bird is looking exceptional, just as expected. Thanks so much for the progress pics!

Doug, The weathering looks great. Fine work. Last night I did a little test work on your weathering method on a test model i painted in a replica scheme as my model. Simply misted with some 70% alcohol tainted with some Tamiya light gray. I was pleased with the effect.

Great progress updates!!! Holy cow I don't know where to start?

Lawdog- Great paint job. Gotta love those Gunze RLM colors. The greens look spot on. I'm with Greg. They aren't discontinued they just aren't available in the states, so without LuckyModel, I'd be screwed.

Doug- Awesome camo colors! This might be my fav. Dora of yours so far. Great fading and very realistic weathering you got going on.

Tony- Great small scale kit. Looking forward to the French scheme.

Nathan, just checked LuckyModel. How are the shipping rates from Hong Kong? Also, are you in US or somewhere else?

Mustang Joe, I'd like to toss my hat in the ring again, please. Will be my first Eduard kit. The Fw 190A8/R2 Profipack, with Master gun barrels. Not sure which scheme yet.

Thanks, mate!

Doug: Now that's what I call an awesome looking 190! Great work, mate!

Everyone: I applied most of the decals today. There are basically only 2 IPs left. There is a problem with them however: The decals  for the IPs in the Eduard weekend kits have the base color of the panel printed a s well, which would make the IP look really compared to what it looks like now with the wash and drybrushing. Any tips on how to solve that problem?

Hey, Joe: Please put me down with the same kit + barrels as Greg. We'll build that kit "together". I won't start that soon though...

Guys... Man... what can I say but THANKS! I'm pretty happy with the way this is coming out... and compliments from folks(each for your own special skills that I admire) I share modeling experiances with... I'm honored,

GREGS HOOKED!!! LOL, sorry, but I'm glad your doing another build with us! You did such a good job on the first I cant wait to see what you do with an Eduards kit. Your a good guy and I'm glad your staying here! Lots of fun to build with...

Joe R, Glad you tried and liked the technique... It takes some practice, and you'll see that at first it may look as if its not working, but the secret is knowing how far to go. Too much and it could REALLY fade your finish, looking forward to seeing the results, Oh... and the addition of a few drops of the light grey is a good way to not only speed up the look but to even out the look.

should be near compleation before weeks end, and being my wife is out of town at the present, I will have lots of quality bench time! Thanks again my friends!

Doug

PS... Just in case I cant get to the site for some unknown reason, I want to wish all of my fellow modelers and builders here a wonderful Thanks Giving Day!

More work on my French 190.

I've got the cockpit done, and the main assembly complete. I added Extratech P/E harnesses to the cockpit, and used the kit decals for the panels. Now for the seams. I dunno where I got the info on it being overall light blue, in fact, the decal instructions give to schemes, one with overall dark green and the other is grey. This one wil be grey, but I am sorely tempted to do both. The color match is easy, Humbrol 79.

lawdog:Man that thing is looking good!!! and moving fast at that!!! It takes me forever to get to that point once I start painting. It has alot to do with me being so skiddish and worrying too much. Good job Joe!

taxtp:Man it's good to have you in here building! I'm liking the progress so far bud! You guys building the 72nd scale stuff never fail to just blow me away!

Rigidrider:Lovin the paint!!!! Lovin the paint!!!! Lovin the paint!

Greg:You bet!!! I'll get you down in the intro post!!! 

Update for Greg:You are now entered in on the intro!

Hey Greg, It is fantastic that you are going for another build and staying in here with us. Looking forward to your Eduard endeavors.

Nice cockpit Tony!

Greg, I'm in the States in MN. Shipping from Lucky is pretty good actually. Takes about 10-14 days. No biggie, worth the wait. Gunze aqeaous bottles are under 3 bucks still I think. Can't get much better that that.- Oh and I'll make a suggestion for a scheme:

Top airplane- White 11 Walter Wagner.

Nathan T

Lawdog- Great paint job. Gotta love those Gunze RLM colors. The greens look spot on. I'm with Greg. They aren't discontinued they just aren't available in the states, so without LuckyModel, I'd be screwed

Thanks everyone.  Doug, phemnomenal work.  That camo looks great.  Tony, I look forward to seeing the French Scheme.  Greg and Nathan....I heard somehere that Gunze discontinued the Aqueous line.  I hope I was misinformed.  I have really come to like their paint eventhough they don't dry quite as fast as Tamiya.  I just checked Lucky Model's site.  Can I assume that their "Mr. Color" acrylic paint is the same as the Aqueous line?  I could swear my Aqueous bottles looked different than these. 

Joe

Preshading, then paint using Humbrol 79. It's been a while since I sprayed enamels, but it came out OK.

Cheers

Tony

Morning Gents... Got some more done last night...I was staying up late to watch the Pacquiao- Rios fight, and decided to not watch the under card, so what to do?... well lets just work on the model some more.

I was able to get the canopy and landing gear finished up...

All in all I'm cautiously pleased, I say that cuz ya never know... But so far so good, With any luck and a quiet day, I may be finished by tonight. Have a great day my friends!

Doug 

OOPS... Sorry dont know why that last picture duplicated ... It does that some times, Gotta love that Photo Bucket...

Tony, looking good! , and a 72nd to boot. Shoot, I couldnt see the parts any more! lol... Looking forward to your scheme.

WOW! And I mean WOW Doug! What a paint/ weathering job!!!!

txtap: Coming right along with that beauty!! Moving along pretty quick I see!

Sometimes I think I should rename this build the Fw 190 Butcher Bird and Perfect Your German Mottle/ Weathering Effects 2013 Group Build!!!!! LOL!

taxtp: Your progress looks great. I have to chuckle to myself as you have done in a few days what has taken me months on the same kit. Yeah, I added a good bit of AM stuff, still it is good to see you moving along briskly.

Doug: That is indeed some choice weathering you have pulled off on this one. NICE!!!!

Doug: Man, she does look great indeed!

Tony: Nice work! I'm amzaed how fast you built that 190!

Gunze's aqueous line is definitely not discontinued. They are available here in Austria at least...

Hey Gents, Given the discussion on Aqueous Gunze-Sangyo I found this interesting little article:

www.ipmsmemphis.com/.../%20Mr.ColorPaints.pdf

What I found interesting is that he first thinned the Mr Color solvent based with Iso-Alcohol. I guess I would never had considered that. Again, I'm using the solvent based Mr. Color cut with Mr. Leveling Thinner and it just sprays beautifully at a variety of PSI's. I have not encountered the spider webbing effect and I am sure that must be due the use of the Leveling Thinner as it contains the retarder. But, he does note a very important aspect of Mr. Color and that is the odor. It is indeed very strong and in order to keep from inundating the whole house with the odor I have to use ny spray booth with clean filters. I should also note that solvent based Mr. Color does not seem to be any easier to find in the states as the Aqueous. I order my Mr. Color from HobbyWave and Red Frog Hobbies. Unfortunately neither one of them carry the Aqueous line.