Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

Sorry to keep posting guys but, I am having a hard time finding an aftermarket cockpit for the fw190 a5.

I heaard Meteor Productions made a great one but they are out of biz. What about cutting edge or black box? Or even true details? What is your opinions on the most accurate and detailed out there?

WJT...

  According to my book Focke-Wulf Fw190 by robert Grinserll The Fw190 A-4 Differed from the A-3 only in the addition of a methanol-water boost system (MW50) to the BMW 801D-2, The A-5differed from the A-4 only in that included lengthened engine mounts to provtge increased strength and reduced vibration, The overall aircraft length increase was only 15.5 cm (6.1 in) and the A-5 was distinguishable from earlier models only by compairing the hinged upper deck machine gun cover panel.

  I tried to copy that word for word (in a nut shell) from the book on pages 7  and 8. Hope that helps some...

Doug (RR)

The A-4 also differed from the A-3 by a short mast on top of the vertical stabilizer for the radio aerial attachment. I believe there was a slight difference in the horizontal tail as well. The A-5 also had a lengthened wing root fairing due to the nose length increase, which is also a good giveaway. The engine: BMW801D-2. As far as aftermarket, the Meteor productions and cutting edge are the same company, now out of business for sometime. Aires produces the best quality for the fw 190, but not sure if you'd need it on the eduard kit, given it comes with PE. I'd also check with Modeldesignconstruction out of the UK. Their resin sets are supreme and they make a set for the Tamiya fw series but I'm sure it could work on the eduard kit. Happy hunting!

Doug (RR),

Thanks for the info! I gotta get my hands on that Focke-Wulf 190 book!

Nathan,

Thanks for explaining all that to me. Sometimes when I look sometging up, whether online or in a book, I get many different answers! Oh well, now we have the Forum on Finescale!!!

So , I am now on the hunt for a BMW801D-2 engine for my G.B. FW 190 a-5!

I'm putting all this work into it because, it is one of my favorites. Just love the look.

Now, onto where and who manufacturs the best AF resin and PE cockpit sets and seats???

Thanks Again!!!

I understand completly! That book  in my opinion a great one! Lots of RLM info, illustrations, fold outs, exploded views and break down views as well as actual photos. And as you said, possibly different info, but a lot of research appears to have gone into this book. I got it on Amazon, used for about 6 bucks. Again, its ...Focke-Wulf  Fw190 by Robert Grinsell, Illustrater by Rikyu Watanabe There is a BMW 801 engine on Ebay 1/48 scale for 20.00. I just typed in Fw190 Detail and it showed up, If you cant find it I will try to get the seller info for you! Good luck William...

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse as there are many minor differances, but I was refering to the engine only.  

Thanks Rigidrider! Very helpful, gonna check ebay right now! BTW, what are you building for this one?

Aires and CMK both make resin BMW 801s.

For PE, Eduard all the way. For seat belts, do yourself a favor and pick up a set of HGW microtextile belts. You can get  them at Hannants or via eBay. And you actually get two sets so you can use the other on another subject later on.

As for resin cockpit sets, I dunno. There's several out there.

William... I just received my BMW 801D and am NOT disappointed at all! Well illustrated and very highly detailed. It was an Aires kit from Ebay from max the modeler (if you have problem finding, let me know). The first Fw190 will be a Dora-9 White 3 of JG26 - 5 staffle 1/32 scale, a "vintage" Revell  Lone Eagle kit circa 1990 I think. As I said earlier posts, (and having researched further without any further changes) the record keeping was poor to non existant, due to the constant moving and pressure , bombing, etc...and little is recorded or known about White 3 or the pilot , only that he survived the war, having been seen shortly after surrender took effect, setting his aircraft down in a field, powering down and just walking away. I plan on atleast 1 other (probably more) I want to do the A-5 (I think) flown by Josef "Pepi" Jennowine (Black 7) flown during the Battle of Kursk. I think it stated that he flew Black 5, But was in Black 7 the day he (after aerial combat) had to make a forced landing behind enemy lines on July 27th and was never heard from again. Thats the 2 firm builds I had in mind at this time... How about you, I'd like to hear about your build thoughts...

Take care...

Doug (RR)

Wow guys, I can't wait to see what all this resin is gonna look like when its built up, and how it fits. Doug, would this white 3 in the profile be your bird?

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Sweet choice. I like the different cammo on the rudder. I'm still having a tough time choosing my kit and markings.

Thanks Nathan... I just nose artound the google sites until I find one that looks and feels interesting. I also like to see if I can get a bit of a story with it. What got me interested in this one was the kinda sick looking pale green on the fuse sides.and tail. And I liked the story behindf it, I have looked around a bit and still haven't found anything other then what I wrote earlier about the pilot. Just keep digging and researching and something will catch your eye and interest. There were twenty some odd thousand 190s built, One will suit you to start with I'm sure! Love to hear what you decide on, when you do! Take care... Couple of more shots...

Doug (RR)

Cool, looks like the plane is painted in the two later war greens, 82 and 83. Those computer profiles you have show a different rudder camo. I'm looking forward to seeing your interpretation. I believe that dora is in Jerry Crandall's book. I wonder if he writes more about the pilot in it. I should really spring for that book some day... I also have Don Cadwell's JG 26 Diary. It might also have some info. I recommend that book for all things JG 26. As far as me, I just ordered Eduards new fw190A-9 on black friday, so I'll either be picking one of those schemes or cobbling together my own.

Hey folks. Well we've got about a month until this whole thing kicks off and I know that we are all anticipating the day we can start cutting stuff off of the sprues. Just here to let my presence be known and that I haven't forgotten about all of this. Will be getting back with a couple of you all this week to update things on the first page. Right now and co hosting the My First Time GB with Bish due to the absence of the original host. Will see this thing through all the way to the end and am looking very much forward to getting started. See you guys around here, Joe

Joe its coming up fast!!, which is good cause its making me buckle down and working on picking a kit and scheme. I just picked up the new Eduard fw 190A-9 kit and not sure if I should build that first or the Hasegawa A-8/R2, or the A-4, or the Eduard dual combo D-11/13..LOL!

Pretty much all ready to go. The True Details resin cockpit and wheel set came the other day. Initially very impressed with the detail for 1/72 scale. PE set should arrive shortly and thus I should everything I need to go.

Bish - In case you're interested one of these resin cockpits just popped up on ebay. I'll get the seller info for you ifn' you be interested.

Thnaks Joe, i will give it a look. They have them on Hannants as well. I will have to check the PE set i have as i normally go for one ot the other.

This one cant get here soon enough!! Waiting on some resin exhaust and brass barrels and this one will be ready.

Nathan...

Thanks for the tips on the books, I ordered the War Diary asnd the Pictorial History... I will let you know if my plane is in it or not! Thanks again...

Doug

Never mind the Yak...I'll be adding this Eduard A-9:

Its got decals for this bird:

..and this bird:

and 3 more I dont' have refs for...Yet..

Hey Doug,

I just got my BMW 801 D from ebay too, and also from maxthe modeller! It sure looks like a beautiful engine, right!  Black 7 sounds like a GREAT choice! I can't wait to see it completed!

I have been thinging of building a Dora as well. Were any 190 D's painted in winter camo?I would love   to add some contrast between the two. Plus I just love the look of a beat up 190 all weather worn from harsh winters.

I know that BF 109's have had winter camo applied, mostly field applied.

Did any 190's have that done?

Take care,

Will

Lots of eastern front 190 As and Fs had whitewash applied.JG 54 will give you Lots of schemes to choose from. not so sure about Doras. I haven't seen any pics of them in white paint anyway.

WJT and Nathan... You know Im not sure about a Dora in winter camo, I will search a bit more and see if I can find any, I think that most Doras being kind of late war birds were rushed into production and most camo patterns were done in the field once attached to a fighting unit. I remember reading somewhere that alot of the camo and motteling was of and over the field grey primer applied from the factory.  As Nathan said, many A's were camo painted as the pilot desired, and ran a wide range of patterns. Glad you like the 801D engine, I think it will look increadible when done! Give me a bit and I'll look through some of my books and see if I can locate any winter camo Doras.

I've poked around and haven't found any winter camo Doras...

Well William... Like Doogs, I looked through all my books and nosed around a bit on Google, and found no winter camo Doras. The nearest any thing close was a Ta152 in RLM light blue (looks pale grey to me,

ha) and grey primer.

Take care!

Doug (RR)

Joe,

I would like to join the build!  I will be doing an Eduard Weekend edition 1/48th 190 A-8/R2 out of the box!  

Thanks

Mark Gauding

Nice to have you with us Mark! ...whats this out of box you speak of...? LOL!

I think he means just using the parts that come with the kit, no after market parts added to the kit.  This is also the way I build. :)