Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

Guys,

Thanks!  This kit has been sitting in my stash for a little while so this is a great time to give it some love!  This will be my second group build, did an egg plane build over on the Flory Models website.

Mark

scootertrash

Joe,

I would like to join the build!  I will be doing an Eduard Weekend edition 1/48th 190 A-8/R2 out of the box!  

Thanks

Mark Gauding

Welcome Mark! Certainly glad have you join in.

You mind if I join?  I just picked up a 1:48 Hobbyboss Ta-152.  Of course, I will have to invest in some decals since HB decals are not that great from my experience.  

Hutch

Just found out that Zoukei-Mura is going to be re-releasing their 1/32 Ta 152H on January 1.

And then there were five to choose from...

DoogsATX

Just found out that Zoukei-Mura is going to be re-releasing their 1/32 Ta 152H on January 1.

And then there were five to choose from...

Get out!!!  No way...  The past year, I have been trying to keep my purchases in check and trying to build from my stash.  This will be a serious temptation...looks like I will have to be saving my allowance because I will likely want to take that plunge.

Hutch

I would like to participate in this GB. If possible, I go with a Fw 190 F-8, Tamiya 1/48.

The model

Thank you

Regards

ajcmac

Thanks Nathan!

nathan ridgerider and doogs, thanks for the help. Im not building a dora though, building a 190a-5. I would love to do it in winter camo but, if it cant be done, no biggie!

Thank Again,

Will

I do have one question, does someone half the ability to cast a resin copy(or if you are replacing your cockpit with resin) from the Eduard kit, I need just the control column.  If anyone needs a part from mine before I start it I'd behappy to cast a copy, I don't have much RTV left but I'd be happy to give it a shot.

I have an extra control column, I think from a Ta152, should be the same; however, as long as you're paying postage, I'd suggest ultracast or CMK. They make resin replacement sticks, 2 in a pack, for like 4 or 5 bucks, and would look nicer than what I could send you. Check out Sprue Brothers.

Will, lots of A-5s in winter Camo! I can send you some refs if you wanna PM me.

hutchdh and ajcmac-Glad to have you here. I've got you penciled in on the first post

fantacmet-I posted the scale of your Eduard kit

Just a few weeks left folks. I'm friggin dying to start cutting some sprue around here!

Yes Sir... Must.....Resist....only a few more weeks...

Hey you guys. I know there are a few of us out there building the Eduard version of this bird and wanted to share some of the common building obstacles and remedies for when you reach these in building. I got this from Brett Greens review of the A8/R2 but do extend to the regular A-8s.  

Construction Tips from Eduard

As a result of test-building several kits, Eduard has pointed out several areas requiring special attention during assembly. These include the following:

Check the position of the completed cockpit interior to the fuselage halves. Especially the back (upper) part of the cockpit tub must be aligned exactly with line on the fuselage halves. Also the weapon bay must be carefully positioned.

Another important point is the wing spar (part I16) installation. In this step (page 5 of the instructions), first glue part K20 into the wing, and then add part I16. This sequence will guarantee that the wing spar will be exactly vertical to the wing bottom. This is crucial for wheel well assembly and the whole wing geometry.

Another sensitive point is the engine mount installation. In this point, find the exact position of the part K18 on the reverse (inside of the fuselage) side of the part H12 (wheel well). K18 fits exactly to the notch in the H12. If you glue K18 carefully to the given position, the engine block will easily assume the correct position when it is glued to the engine mount.

The locating holes for the main wheels are quite large. This is because the wheel fits to the axle at an angle. Use the instruction picture (page 10) to determine the exact angle of the wheel to the undercarriage leg.

While we are talking about the undercarriage, when you will assembly the K7 (u/c leg) to the H1 (u/c cover), the location pins on the leg will give you exact position of the hatch (H1) to the leg. This is similar to the assembly of the u/c to the wing – glue the leg to the fine locating position in the wheel well, and immediately add J30/J37 to the position in the wheel well and on the u/c leg (there is a fine location pin on the leg which fits to the small hole on the end of the tow bar). It will give you exact position of the undercarriage to the wing. This is a different system compared to other manufacturers' kits, but it delivers surprisingly good result.

Joe - That there is some excellent info. I'll be to printing that off and sticking it in my Eduard 1/48 A-8 that I have in my stash.

Good reminder mustang. I've found its best to glue the gear on before the gear wells are painted, so you can use liquid cement. This will give you plenty of time to align everything without fear of it shearing off like a part glued on using super glue. Then when it comes to painting the airframe, just light wrap some tape around the gear leg to mask it. I also have some tips for the dora if anyone is interested. I could scan them up here. They're from Eduard's website but I can't find the link to them anymore.

Is it January 1 yet??

  I hear ya Jester... been building in my head for months now! all parts, decals, and paint ready and waiting I'll start the countdown Christmas day!.

   Joe (Mustang) I found a neat trick that I use on the Me 109 and the Fw 190, due to the splayed nature of the landing gear, I take a 1/8 rivet, drill a 1/8 hole to use as a mounting hole, file the flange to fit the wheel well mounting area and epoxy the rivet into the wing landing gear strut area, in other words where the strut would normally be glued.  Then just drill the strut the size of the rivet nail (maybe just a tad larger), put some epoxy in the hole and position strut to dry. I guarantee you will never come out and find a collapsed model with the landing gear streached out in front of it like a sphinx. Works real well on 1/32 and 1/24 kits, especially if using resin which adds a lot of weight.

Take care all and have a wonderful blessed Christmas!

Doug (RR)

Nathan... Just received (via Amazon) my copy of JG26, The top Guns of the Luftwaffe. Just started reading and so far a very informative book, lots of info on just the average joe pilot. The forward is by Adolph Galland, Cant wait to get further into it!

Doug

(RR)

Hey Doug, cool! Glad you picked up the book. It has lots of interesting info, such as Galland's daily activities, as well as his brother's. (Didn't know his brother was a pilot). It gets real good toward the end as it explains the chaotic last days of JG26 and the luftwaffe as a whole.

You know I have two books , 1) I Flew for the Fuhrer and 2) The Blonde Knight and they both depict how ate up the lifestyle and condition of the pilots morale and mood (which in the end was alot of times just pure rage) as well as the condition of the planes they were flying. Hopeless end it was. Interesting that you guys bring that up. Makes me want to re read one of them.

mustang1989

Hey you guys. I know there are a few of us out there building the Eduard version of this bird and wanted to share some of the common building obstacles and remedies for when you reach these in building. I got this from Brett Greens review of the A8/R2 but do extend to the regular A-8s.  

Construction Tips from Eduard

Thanks for the info!!  I knew there were some issues with these kits.

Mike

No problem at all Mike. That's part of why we are all here is to help each other out right? Be cool and have a great day, Joe

Joe, I also read Heinze Knoke's book. Great read, I just wish it was 500 pages instead of 200 or so. Too bad he never flew the 190

Hi Guys,

Even though I’m not participating in this GB, I wanted to share my experiences with the Eduard 190 kits. I recently finished the A–8 model, and the fuselage / bulkhead / cockpit / wing fit was disastrous. In fact, I had shelved the model for a while out of disgust and depression about that. However, I’ve since started a D–9 (with a WIP post about it elsewhere), and had a lot better success in this area. Although everything forward of ammunition holders on the firewall is different, everything rearwards is the same.

There were two main errors I made:

A. Believing that the bulkhead parts are supposed to be 90° in relation to each other

B. Believing that the forward edges of the cockpit floor were good relative alignment points

So, on the first part, in the 190 D–9 manual, I found this:

Why ever it wasn’t included in the A–8 manual, I’ll never know. But that made a huge different. OK, 3° isn’t a large amount, but given the engineering of this kit, that made a huge difference in my case.

Secondly, as was pointed out on the ARC site some time ago by a fellow whose name I can’t recall, it’s important to focus on the fuselage sides and firewall alignment and let the cockpit float. Only cement it in place later.

In my case, these two things made a massive difference.

I hope this helps just a little bit.

Best regards,

Mike

Thanks for uploading this instruction tip Mike. I got it stashed away as a reminder in an old Eduard box somewhere. Following this should alleviate most problems with the Dora kit. BTW you should pick a kit and join in on the fun here!

Hmm. So it sounds like, on the Eduard kits, it might be a good idea to go with a PVA glue like Gator's Grip for several of those internal bits. Gator's Grip can flex and still hold, so nailing that 93 degrees wouldn't be necessary.

Heck - I'd probably see about trying to glue them, then trap them between the fuselage halves as they begin to set up.

benzdoc

Hi Guys,

Even though I’m not participating in this GB, I wanted to share my experiences with the Eduard 190 kits.

Thanks for the info!!  I'll be attempting the A-8 myself.

Mike

Well now I'm confused... (nothing unusual) I think I have been able to I'D. the pilot of my project , his name is Lt. Xaver Ellenrieder. The picture attached is said to be the tail of his aircraft,  Fw190-D9  W.Nr. 401357 "white 3". Picture was likely taken late  May/ early June 1945. Problem is I've read he was with 1gp jg26, 4gp jg 26, 8 gp jg 26, 9gp jg 26, the staffel leader 1 gp jg 26.... all but 5 gp jg 26, which is what the markings and pictorial records show about Fw 190-D9, white 3. Well any way, I've made a little progress, but please forgive me,(the factual builders among us) I've tried... but the die is cast... (ha) I've gathered the materiasl to build this aircraft as accurately as possible! Thanks...

Doug (RR)