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Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, August 5, 2013 7:58 AM

Clemens,

 It's a MK108 30mm cannon,  they used the same ones on the Me262 as well.

John

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:06 AM

Joe, nice work on the prop. Did you paint the spiral or is it decal?

Looking good John! I like the detail in that cannon! Should look sweet tucked up underneath that bad boy!

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:06 AM

Thanks, but wasn't the Mk 108 much shorter?

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:10 AM

Jester75

Joe, nice work on the prop. Did you paint the spiral or is it decal?

Thanks Eric! It's a decal. I usually paint them on but I decided to try my luck with the decal on this one and it turned out to be about as much work as painting it. I did the paint, then glosscoat, then decal , then dullcoat. It had a small wrinkle in it that I didn't think was gonna go away but at the last minute she straightened right out.

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:12 AM

SchattenSpartan

Thanks, but wasn't the Mk 108 much shorter?

Thanks for the kind works on the birdie Clemens. Thats a 108 alright. The barrel lengths varied on some but they came like that on some 190's in the underwing gondolas.

                   

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:25 AM

Yes,  But it looks like they added a large flash suppressor on it.   I ran across this web site showing the install on a 190. Big Smile

www.wehrmacht-history.com/.../30-mm-mk-103.htm

John

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:30 AM

Now that thing is just NASTY!! What a gun.

                   

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, August 5, 2013 8:44 AM

mustang1989

Now that thing is just NASTY!! What a gun.

Ya, that is for sure, there is a history I found on line that said 4 shots from that cannon would take down a B-17, and the B-17 crews could hear that cannon with it's distinctive bang.  Freaky Bad!

John

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 9:44 AM

That's one nasty gun indeed, but nothing compares to this bad boy:

That gun in your link seems to be an Mk 103, John. The Mk 108 was a modified 103 with a much shorter barrel (and lower muzzle velocity) and some other changes to make it lighter and more compact AFAIK...

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, August 5, 2013 9:51 AM

I do believe your right,  I guess it's a typo in the Dragon instructions,  but whatever the case the actual picture of gun hanging off the bottom of the 190 is the same one in the kit.  I did find a listing somewhere on the web showing the progression of the 103 to a 108.  Isn't deciphering historical records fun?  Yes it is, it's one reason I enjoy it so much.  I'm one of those that when I start a project I like to know as mush as i can about the history,  it's like colors, I need to know the right ones or it's hard to progress.

John

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 9:55 AM

I never thought the guys at Dragon are good with numbers, as they tend to screw up parts numbers a lot Big SmileWink

No matter what gun it is., it is mean! That's the really important thing about it...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, August 5, 2013 10:41 AM

That 5cm gun on the 262 is amazing also! I have the brass version of that one in 1/48 scale for my Meng 410 kit.

                   

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 11:59 AM

You have that one as well? I have 2 brass barrels for this beauty. One for the 410 and one for the 262 (HobbyBoss kit)

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, August 5, 2013 1:43 PM

Me like this one

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, August 5, 2013 1:48 PM

That's the BK 3,7 right? I have a 129 built with the Mk 103 and it looks sweet! The 3,7 is almost comical it is so large.

Eric

 

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, August 5, 2013 1:49 PM

O boy that's a big cannon, I bet it shoot's milk bottles! Surprise

John

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, August 5, 2013 2:48 PM

 And then you have this beauty Ju 88P-1 with the 75mm BK75. I have the 1/48 Dragon kit of this aircraft which will be a sweet build.

Junker Ju 88P with 75mm BK 75 cannon

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:02 PM

I have a couple of those Dragon 88's in the stash. I hear they can be a bear to build. Cant wait to tear into one though.

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:03 PM

Nice picture, Joe! I have to get me one of those dragon kits as well. They are on sale at my LHS, so maybe...

How about this one? Is that an 88mm gun? I heard they tried to mount them on the Ju-88...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:12 PM

These things fall just short of needed tracks for landing gear!!

                   

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:19 PM

Oh-Oh... An ideas forming... Gotta stick my finger in my ear befor it slips out.... Got it! How about...are you ready? A GB for aircraft equiped with the MK? Oh man , did I say that out loud?(ha) maybe later in the year! (grin)

Doug

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Make Lemonade!

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:26 PM

I believe the RoG Ju-88 C is also Dragon molds.

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:26 PM

Which Mk?

I could host one...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:28 PM

mustang1989
These things fall just short of needed tracks for landing gear!!

Kind of. Just look at the tires of the Ju-88 I posted... They seem to be weighted quite a bit...

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:31 PM

Doug: How about a "Flying Guns" GB? It would involve every aircraft with a gun of 30mm or bigger...

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, August 5, 2013 3:32 PM

Keep in mind Doug that a couple of these have 2 props. The old "Two birds with one stone" concept.

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Posted by Chanter on Monday, August 5, 2013 4:27 PM

Hi all.  I was finally able to get started on my 190.  Following all of the excellent builds here has given me a lot of inspiration and tips that I'll hopefully be able to incorporate.

I am building a Tamiya A3 which apparently is a nice easy build.  Sounds good to me!

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I ordered some EagleCals decals and I plan to do the JG-51 winter scheme as I have never done mottling.  This is where my questions will be coming, as I attempt to do a passable whitewash job (will hairspray be required?)

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I started the cockpit. This is one area I really want to improve in and will keep trying to outdo myself with each build.  For now, I'm pretty happy.

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That's it for now.  I'm looking forward to finally getting into my first Group Build, posting as I go and hopefully not asking too many redundant questions.

Regards,

Allen

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, August 5, 2013 4:55 PM

Allen, That is a marvelous start. Your cockpit is very well done. Do you have some seat harnesses to throw in there? As far as painting a whitewash I'm afraid that I have no experience with that. I will defer suggestions to the folks here who are vastly more knowledgeable on that technique. Please ask all the questions you require as that is exactly what a GB is all about. It is excellent to have you in here with us and I am definitely looking forward to some more progress photos as well as some thought provoking inquiries. Excellent work Allen.

                            Joe

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, August 5, 2013 5:31 PM

Allen, that is a damn fine start on that pit!!

Eric

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, August 5, 2013 5:44 PM

Really nice work, Allen! May I ask you on how you painted that cockpit (and also how long it too you to do so)?

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