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                        ARMOR - Small AFV Group Build, all scales done

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                        Scorn
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                          March 2004
                        • From: Sarepta, LA
                        Posted by Scorn on Tuesday, April 6, 2004 12:16 AM
                        pfffttt t3488g

                        Play DC. Do you? www.lkm818.net
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 10:40 PM
                        put me down for the lyinx and universal carrier. Still haven't ordered them, but i will be doing them, or one of them. I agree with beav, this is a SMALL AFV GB, Dragon wagons and famos are as big as they get.
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                        Mourningstar
                        • Member since
                          March 2004
                        Posted by Mourningstar on Monday, April 5, 2004 9:04 PM
                        OK well I have decided to do the Tamiya US M20AUC, but do you know how hard it is to find referance material on it. I have only found one actuall pic for it and that one wasen't all that great. If anyone has any live shot of it for referance that would be great.

                        thx in advance Les
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 9:01 PM
                        Hey lizard I'm doing a WW II SAS Commando jeep and a Demag halftrack w/ nebelwerfer

                        I also have a DUKW so I might build that but dont put me down for it yet
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                        jkeller
                        • Member since
                          December 2002
                        • From: Grand Blanc, MI USA
                        Posted by jkeller on Monday, April 5, 2004 8:10 PM
                        lizardqing2, I will be doing the Ford Quad Gun Tractor.

                        I already started on the frame, engine and chassis. I'll post pictures soon.

                        Joe
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 7:13 PM
                        Chris,
                        put me down for a TrunkenKubelwagon
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                        beav
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: Ft. Sill, OK
                        Posted by beav on Monday, April 5, 2004 6:20 PM
                        Ok, ok, here we go beav, big deep breath deep breath,
                        Please no more Dragon Wagons-as they are now deemed "big AFV's" and could be built in another GB...that is to say, we can't do the monsterously large AFV recovery/towing vehicles such as Dragon's, FAMO's, and M977-unless you do a cab, which, I am not sure if that is even an AFV. Sorry...
                        PS, since many don't hit an end date anyways, just try to finish by May 20-but you can keep building after that..

                        "First to Fire!"

                        Steven

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                        beav
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: Ft. Sill, OK
                        Posted by beav on Monday, April 5, 2004 6:19 PM
                        Ok, ok, here we go beav, big deep breath deep breath,
                        Please no more Dragon Wagons-as they are now deemed "big AFV's" and could be built in another GB...that is to say, we can't do the monsterously large AFV recovery/towing vehicles such as Dragon's, FAMO's, and M977-unless you do a cab, which, I am not sure if that is even an AFV. Sorry...
                        PS, since many don't hit an end date anyways, just try to finish by May 20-but you can keep building after that..

                        "First to Fire!"

                        Steven

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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 6:01 PM
                        Hey Matt,, Ok I see what you are talking about,,, Yeah that is a bit of an undertaking. Upon first looking at it I thought maybe taking a pin vise and drilling it out might work but then I thought, no that probably wouldn't work because then the grating might look to thick. Worse you could miss one of the holes and then you would make it look worse.
                        By the way were did you find a internal engine compartment for yours?? Considoring I have already done some major modifications to mine I might be persuaded to do some more. Also as soon as I finish the turret modifications I will post them so you can see what I did.
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 5:22 PM
                        Definitely the 223 (fu)
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                        rebelreenactor
                        • Member since
                          October 2003
                        • From: Clovis, Calif
                        Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, April 5, 2004 4:59 PM
                        lizardqing2
                        I will be building a German Hanomag SdKfz 251 1/1
                        so you can put that on your site.
                        John
                        John
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 4:56 PM
                        Hey Chris,

                        You can put me down for a Sdkfz 223, please.

                        Matt

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                        lizardqing
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Monday, April 5, 2004 4:53 PM
                        Scorn, progress shots are good and fit right into the group build idea, so sure thing we want to see em.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        lizardqing
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Monday, April 5, 2004 4:50 PM
                        OK, so far I have what Feldgrau23,Beav,Scorn, myself and my wife are doing and on the site as of today.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        Scorn
                        • Member since
                          March 2004
                        • From: Sarepta, LA
                        Posted by Scorn on Monday, April 5, 2004 2:53 PM
                        I think (tentatively) that I am going to do an Israeli M3 half-track.

                        Do you want in-progress shots for this build or just final product?
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 7:25 AM
                        Glad to hear you have got a bit of the nastiness out of the way, Rich, I hope it looks the goods.

                        The screen that Edog and I have been moaning on about is actuall on the hull top. It is moulded on detail on the Tamiya kits; it appears as diamond pattern treadplate just behind the turret. We are both doing interiors, which makes it a must fix! Edog is working on a bit of an idea at the moment, and I am being a chicken and waiting to see how he goes.

                        The turret mesh is another interesting one. Have you got the new kit with the PE grenade screens or the old one? I have the old 223, but I am not that fussed about that bit. It is much more of a feature on the 222. The old kit supplied stuff isn't too bad anyway.

                        Matt
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 5, 2004 7:00 AM
                        Edog and Phroosh,,,,, I got started on redoing the turret on my 222 and what a pain that was, I ended up cutting out the bad section and fitting in a piece of styrene in. I think if you cut out just that small section that is bad then you should be able to fit in a new piece with the proper direction on it. I haven't checked it out since I did it last nite but I am hopeing it will turn out alright.

                        Now the mesh that you guys are talking about is on the turret top correct? I'm at work now but will compare the pic that edog posted to what I have. Right now I am not exactly sure what you are talking about.

                        Also Chris you can put me down for the Sd.kfz 222 and the M8 on the Group build site.
                        The site looks perfect.
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                        Mourningstar
                        • Member since
                          March 2004
                        Posted by Mourningstar on Monday, April 5, 2004 2:40 AM
                        Had to read through the threads, but now that I know that there is no set end date, I will definatly do it. I just need to finish the M-51 and get that out of the way. But as what to do???????????? I'll have to look around. I don't think that I will do the Dragon Wagon on this one, I wan't to put alot of extream concetration into that one.
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                        Scorn
                        • Member since
                          March 2004
                        • From: Sarepta, LA
                        Posted by Scorn on Monday, April 5, 2004 12:41 AM
                        Mourningstar and Scorn are two different people! rofl Mourning lives here in my house and our computers are in my garage. We play an awful lot of Multi-player military games but both love modeling. He just recently picked it up and I have been doing this stuff for over 18 years. Only the last 3 years (cummulatively) have I gotten serious about it though.
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                        lizardqing
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Sunday, April 4, 2004 10:33 PM
                        Oops. sorry about that beav, I just went down the list on the first page and copied the names over. I will get you on there no problem.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        beav
                        • Member since
                          May 2003
                        • From: Ft. Sill, OK
                        Posted by beav on Sunday, April 4, 2004 10:18 PM
                        Wonderful site!!! I just think that it is the coolest thing-and it is good that it is simple.

                        Scorn, humvee's are OK, so are M113's I think-any objections? anyways, I picked up an Avenger Humvee from Italeri that I am looking forward to.

                        Lizard, if I could add one thing to your sight it would be as follows
                        "beav"
                        "M20, Quad"
                        I hope that you allow that mod to your site--:)

                        OH YEAH, BiG NEWS I started the M20-only steps one and two, and it looks to be a lot simpler than my Italeri M8 mess-like 20 different rods, and brakes, and suspension units, and it was my first model-so a mess-but gee, only ONE piece for the drive train??
                        wow

                        "First to Fire!"

                        Steven

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                        Dwight Ta-ala
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Philippines
                        Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Sunday, April 4, 2004 6:09 PM
                        OK let me try the jeep first.

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                        lizardqing
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Sunday, April 4, 2004 8:20 AM
                        Scorn, I'm sure the humvee would fit right in. Don't worry about experience, thats what GB are for is getting some extra experience. Build it however you want to. In my opinion scratch building would be better than buying and we could all learn a thing or two from seeing how you went about doing that.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        Scorn
                        • Member since
                          March 2004
                        • From: Sarepta, LA
                        Posted by Scorn on Sunday, April 4, 2004 4:39 AM
                        I think I would like to get in on this. I don't have a lot of experience in what you fellas are going for so please bear with me.

                        I would assume M113 and varients would be acceptable, correct? Or Humvees? I tend to build modern military mostly. About as far as I go back is the 1967 Israeli confiicts so I hope that isn't an issue.

                        Would it need to be a new kit or would a kit that I have already completed work? I have a few small vehicles already finished that could use a little extra detail that would be fun to submit. Do you want MM kits? I rarely buy Verlinden (etc.) add-ons anymore due to money constraints but I scratchbuild most of the conversions anyway so that is no big deal either way.

                        Just curious and very interested. Hope these aren't silly questions, but I would like to get the embarassment out of the way early....
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 3, 2004 10:05 PM
                        awsom, thanks for the site Chris.

                        Matt, there is a slim chance that i have an idea that might work. i was thinking if you fed some thin PE, through a couple of gears you may get something that looks right. I have some old lego gears i was going to try it with, but it looks like the teeth will be too big. If you don't know what i mean, i try it out, and fill you in if it is successful. It will at least be tricky though.

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                        lizardqing
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Saturday, April 3, 2004 9:41 PM
                        Check my above post for edit about the site.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 3, 2004 9:10 PM
                        Edog,

                        Same photo, no solutions!

                        I have been through the same ideas, and figured it was more than I could chew too!
                        I am tossing up between modifying the mesh that they provide for the grenade screen (I have the old 223 kit) and modifying some diamond shape mesh I have.

                        It is a it annoying that Tamiya have re-released both kits with fancy bits but haven't really done anything significant. The interior in the 223 is actually so bad it is quite funny! I am glad I didn't buy one thinking it was all new tooling.

                        We will sort it out one way or another mate!

                        Matt

                        Cheers for setting the site up Chris, you the man.
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 3, 2004 8:59 PM
                        Phroosh,

                        yah, i am not sure what to do with the tread plate on the roof. it is a funny pattern. Aber has something similar, but it is flat and not 3 dimensional like the actual thing. not sure if you have seen it or not, so here is a pic:



                        I was thinking about making my own from scratch, but that may be biting off more than I can chew. I am also not sure what to do about the 2cm gun mount. The Tamiya kit looks like it could use a lot of work. Anyway, let me know if you solve any of these problems.
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                        lizardqing
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Dahlonega, Georgia
                        Posted by lizardqing on Saturday, April 3, 2004 8:58 PM
                        OK guys I have set up a page. The url for it is http://www.groupbuild.50megs.com you can make your submissions to groupbuild@firehousemail.com. You can post the in progress pics at ron's site and as you finish a build I'll post the finished pics and your write up on the site. If you can resize the pics that would be a great help for me as i have a cruddy dial up ,if not i can resize them too. Take a look and make sure I have your name on the site if not let me know.
                        Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 3, 2004 8:03 PM
                        Chris it would be great if you could put something together for the build! At least you have basic HTML knowledge Beav, I have zero.

                        Great work Edog, I have been finishing off an old 222 for a dio, and had been looking at picture after picture of them and never spotted it either. I am going to prepare a bit of a post about another major problem with the kits soon. That screen thing. Really annoys me.

                        I happened on some treadplate in a Model Train store the other day. Said it was HO scale but it sure has big checkers if it is!

                        Matt
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