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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:28 PM

scott i can very much understand that. i have to avoid the kate so that i wont pick it up and do something.

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darson

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Posted by darson on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:24 PM

Hi Mathew, Good luck on your Kate. I'm building the one with the torpedo, for once I got lucky and found it at my LHS. Mine is going to be straight from the box except for two things, a Tamiya tape seat belt and the wooden attachment to the torpedo tail to allow it to work in shallow waters. Oh and between you and me, I'm looking forward to this build as well.

Jules yeah you're right with the paints, I normally use MM enamels, but their range is really limited when it comes to the IJN, so it's either Tamiya or Gunze.

Joe, I don't have to worry to much about temptation at the moment because I have so many other builds going, I just don't have any time to start the Kate even if I wanted too.

Anybody can someone who knows tell me just how worn out (or brand new for that matter) was the finish on the Kate's used at Pearl Harbour?

Cheers
Darren

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:41 PM

something i really want to stress. for those who havent gotten their kits or decided on their subject, with only four months to go you may wish to give serious thought to what you want to do. i say this because as we all know when you wait sometimes you lose out on what you want. i dont want to see anyone be stuck with something because their first choice was unavailable.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:38 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by darson

Jules yeah you're right with the paints, I normally use MM enamels, but their range is really limited when it comes to the IJN, so it's either Tamiya or Gunze.

Joe, I don't have to worry to much about temptation at the moment because I have so many other builds going, I just don't have any time to start the Kate even if I wanted too.

Cheers
Darren

Darren mate i honestly prefer the Gunze range, but thats just me Wink [;)]

and

i have that many going at the moment that i can't even entertain the thought of starting the Zero.......

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mpartric

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Posted by mpartric on Friday, April 22, 2005 2:26 AM

Darson, check out this link. I've posted it here before but it's a good one.
http://manuel.prego.free.fr/b5n2.htm
Looks pretty worn, but I guess you could do whatever you wanted.
Hope everyone's doing well.

Matthew Morristown, NJ

Mediocrity--- it takes a lot less time and most people won't notice until it's too late.

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darson

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Posted by darson on Friday, April 22, 2005 9:09 AM

Matthew thanks very much for the link that's exactly what I'm looking for.

Cheers
Darren

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 8, 2005 6:15 PM

Joe,

I have registered on your Pearl Harbor Forum but I wanted to get it here also. I will be building Trumpeter's 1/32 P40-B. I have the kit and it is a beauty. I am sure looking forward to getting into this one.

Richard

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Sunday, May 8, 2005 6:25 PM

outstanding. got it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 8, 2005 11:03 PM

Joe A question good sir............I was reading that a flight of 6 Wilcats launched from the Question [?]

Yorktown

on the 7th was attacked by accident by AA gunners losing a couple of thier number in the mishap.....
Do you have any idea which SQD or which A/C these were Question [?]

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, May 9, 2005 2:13 PM

ok i have heard nothing of yorktown planes. i know planes from the enterprise were inbound, with many damaged and a few shot down. i have a report from this group. these planes were sbd's from scout six. if this is the one you mean let me know. i have more info on them.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:59 AM

Hmmm maybe they were from the Enterprise but i'm sure i remember reading that Wildcats were over pearl that day, looks like i'm gonna have to find the book and read it again Thumbs Up [tup]

I am hopeing to find a Wildact cause i'd like to make the model............

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:57 PM

now some wildcats did make it in the air. i believe from ewa. have to find it again. not sure if any made it up from ford island.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:55 PM

I found the story of the 18 SBD's from the Enterprise on the net, If the Enterprise was at Pearl Harbour on the 7th then there must have been Wildcats on her decks and in her hangars right Question [?]

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pmm736

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Posted by pmm736 on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:16 PM

According to Bruce Gamble in The Black Sheep Squadron, ten of VMF-211's fighters were left behind at Ewa when half of the squadron was deployed to Wake Island. They had both F4F's and F3F's assigned but he doesn't say if any, or all, of the 10 were Wildcats. In any event, none of the VMF-211 planes got off the ground on Dec. 7 and all but 1were destroyed.

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:04 PM

pete thanks for the info. jules yes. there were f4f's on the ground at ford island and ewa also. if that helps. i can get you the units if you need.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:20 AM

That would be great Joe thanks a heap Thumbs Up [tup]

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:15 PM

marine air group 21 - - ewa field

vmf-211 - - 11 f4f-3

ford island nas - -

vf-3 - - 1 f4f-3 uss saratoga

vf-6 - - 4 f4f-3a uss enterprise

airbatfor pool - - 4 f4f-3, 1 f4f-3a

the airbatfor pool i need to dig on to get an idea of what their markings were.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:06 AM

Thanks Joe now i have an idea i can dig up a scheme for an idividual aircraft, hopefully i can find a pic for a USS Enterprise Wildcat Thumbs Up [tup]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:55 PM

Joe i have a profile of a Wildcat here, it's Black F-14 from VF-6 USS Enterprise but it's dated at Jan 1942, it still carries the red center in the national marking and the red/white rudder, would this qualify for the build Question [?]

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:16 PM

the squadron was scout six. sbd-2's.

these are the numbers.

6-s-2 6-s-5 6-s-11

6-s-1 6-s-7 6-s-10

6-s-3 6-s-8 6-s-16

6-s-4 6-b-5 6-s-15

6-b-9 6-b-3 6-b-12

6-s-14

i hate being so picky about it but these planes to me were the only ones that actually took part in the attack. mostly defensive, but they did participate. if you would like it i have a report from one member of that squadron.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 13, 2005 1:05 AM

OK so it's just a case of picking a code, maybe 6-S-14, but would it be the same colour scheme of blue over white with the red/white rudder......BTW the report would be good mate, is there any profiles or pics of the particular Wildcats Question [?]

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Friday, May 13, 2005 3:19 PM

here is one of the scans i got from lobbie. hope it helps you some.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 13, 2005 7:15 PM

Thanks Joe your a champ, sorry to so much of a pain but i wanted to make sure i got it right Thumbs Up [tup]

Thats my build then, The Grumman Wildcat 6-F-4 from VF-6, i'll use the Tamiya Wildcat with a Eduard Coloured PE set, 1/48 of course Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, May 13, 2005 7:31 PM

Jules - here's the info on the fighter sqn from the Enterprise, it's toward the bottom of the page... all in all I think it worth your while to hit home on the page and read it from the start... it gives a pretty much on the ground look at what was happening... not sure it lists the sqn or plane number though but I think you found that... they were on their way to attack Nagumos fleet, the bombers and torpedo planes were ordered back to the Enterprise but the fighter squadron was ordered back to Pearl to help in defense of the island.

The story is just to the left of the little guy on the scooter bike:

http://www.nps.gov/wapa/indepth/extContent/usmc/pcn-190-003116-00/sec4a.htm

I am getting enough things cleared away I might join this one.. gotta go to ebay and see if I can pick up an OS2U.

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tho9900

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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, May 13, 2005 7:33 PM

oh yeah - Jules - I also recommend the Ultracast seat for the Wildcat. They have it in stock at www.rollmodels.com for about $5 US. (set of two)

It REALLY brightens the cockpit! I haven't got mine yet but if I dont fudge up one of them I might be able to spare the other one...

Darren - in response to your question on how worn the aircraft (I think you said Kate) were the morning of the attack here is a pic of a Kate for you from the actual attack. top row, middle column. As I suspected they were immaculate, I also saw a pic of a Zero somewhere else immaculately painted.

http://education.eastwestcenter.org/asiapacificed/ph2004/NPSphotos.htm

I imagine they really got the pride of the entire fleet put into their aircraft on a monumental day like that... The Japanese pride in their heritage and warrior code was very extreme.

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Friday, May 13, 2005 8:18 PM

jules it is no problem whatsoever. shoot me an email and i will forward that report.

tom would be good to get you involved in this one.

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Friday, May 13, 2005 8:23 PM

tom you are correct. the japanese planes to my knowledge were very lightly weathered. the zeros were new and all others were top of the line.

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tho9900

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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, May 13, 2005 8:26 PM

Joe - I would like to join but all that hinges on me getting a OS2U at a reasonable price. Maybe I will build a Wildcat if I can't find one, but I don't know... I am more into the fringe builds on the GB's and don't like to build what someone else is building.

the link I provided earlier gives a lot of aircraft listings so I may look through it for something out of the ordinary...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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fightnjoe

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Posted by fightnjoe on Friday, May 13, 2005 9:08 PM

sounds good tom. either way. thanks for the link.

joe

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:17 AM

Joe Email sent Thumbs Up [tup]

Tom i thought you were doing a Wildcat.......why not do that Peashooter, it's a cool looking A/C and "Kremps" would love it...........
BTW thanks for the link Thumbs Up [tup]

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