P-47 "Jug" Group Build

nice ! What did you use ??

Since a lot of people here doing very exciting job with engines, I would like to post few pictures from todays trip to NEAM at Bradley Field

 few more will follow from P-47D-30 ... (not a "N" )

Gigatron wrote:

I'd appreciate some detail shots of the corsair, if it wouldn't be too much of a bother.  I'm interested in things like the cockpit, wheel wells, wing folds, gun/ammo bays or anything that may show interesting details. Thanks, Fred

Fred: here we go:  XF4U-4

gzt wrote:

Gigatron wrote: I'd appreciate some detail shots of the corsair, if it wouldn't be too much of a bother.  I'm interested in things like the cockpit, wheel wells, wing folds, gun/ammo bays or anything that may show interesting details. Thanks, Fred     Fred: here we go:  XF4U-4

Hey Greg,

I see an album for the f4u-4 and the hellcat, but both sets of pictures seem to be the hellcat.

Looking forward to the corsair pics, though

-Fred

Gigatron wrote:

gzt wrote:  Gigatron wrote: I'd appreciate some detail shots of the corsair, if it wouldn't be too much of a bother.  I'm interested in things like the cockpit, wheel wells, wing folds, gun/ammo bays or anything that may show interesting details. Thanks, Fred     Fred: here we go:  XF4U-4   Hey Greg, I see an album for the f4u-4 and the hellcat, but both sets of pictures seem to be the hellcat. Looking forward to the corsair pics, though -Fred

Fred: try again. For some reason MyJAlbym took cached album instead of the new one. It should be OK now 

I also updated the rest of the albums:

New England Air Museum - picts by Greg 

Much better, Greg!

Those are really great pics.  I may have to save them to my machine for my corsair build

-Fred

Hey All

I just started this incredable model.  First, I began with the cockpit.  I found the fit to be better than the last big trumpy kit I worked on, (F4F-4 "Wildcat").  So far, I am finding  the Trumpeter 1:32 kits to be very close to many of the Tamiya kits of the same plane in 1:48.  There are obvious differences because the level of detail needed is greater because of the bigger scale.  What I mean to say is that many of the parts look the same and that the build sequence is very much the same. 

The model looks great and I have begun to work on the engine and all the duct work inside the fuselage.  It really is a shame that most of this will not be seen.  Anyway, on to the pictures.  I am sure if any of you have built, or are building the Tamiya P-47D Razorback, you will see the many similarities of the two kits; at least in the cockpit area.

The cockpit is painted using Model Master enamels and the base cocor is Dark Euro Green (34092).  I gave it a wash of acrylic black "sludge" and then highlighted it with a drybrushing of SAC Bomber Green (34159).  Various details were painted flat black and I tried to keep things based on the Detail and Sdcale books and the Squadron Walk around.  The belts are masking tape.  Here are the pictures so far.......

Now it's onto wiring the engine.  That ought to be a load of fun huh?  Oh baby you know it is!

Thanks for looking and as always comments welcome

jeaton01 wrote:

Looking good, Fred.  Have you thought of putting a jeep or some figures with it, I think that would go well with the wing gun bays being open.  It must have been a job re-arming the guns because of the height of the wing.

Thanks, John

I try to stay away from diorama type stuff, mostly because I'm no good at it.  Plus I'm even worse at painting figures than I am at painting planes

-Fred

Jeezxxxxxxxxxx oops, I mean WOW (we have a man of the cloth in the GB now... I gotta be careful what I say ...welcome Richard)...  I take a few days away from the bench and you guys are goin'nuts here.

HK...nice job on the Alclad and I really like those flaps

Fred... looking good

Greg... great engine pics. they are going in my ref file

Freddie... the pit looks real nice

I did manage to get some work between innings of the play offs (Go Yankees... oh yeah...Go TRIBE!!!)

Lookin' great, Marc.

I have a question for those that might know.  I have some AM decals for the markings of Wild Bette/ Fearless Dick (same plane, two names) of the 395FS/368FG.  The decal sheet instructions shows a star and bar on the underside of each wing.  I'm used to it being on the bottom of the starboard wing. 

Has anyone seen a setup like this before?

Thanks,

Fred

A small update. Got most of the painting done and started working on small stuff. Added main gear detail, painted up small parts and gear doors. Here is a shot or two just to say "I'm still working on it."

nice looking jug !

How did you do the break line hose ????????

I started to recover after a decal dissaster

maybe be painte insignia is not a bad idea. I used a scalpel to cut a round hole. Not an easy task  but it worked just fine I think.

Do you know any AM masks  for such purpose ??

gzt wrote:

nice looking jug ! How did you do the break line hose ???????? I started to recover after a decal dissaster maybe be painte insignia is not a bad idea. I used a scalpel to cut a round hole. Not an easy task  but it worked just fine I think. Do you know any AM masks  for such purpose ??

Eduard makes some insignia masks that you could probably adapt to your purposes. Here is a link. Cut and paste. http://www.squadron.com/SearchResults.asp?offset=0

    I got more work than I thought I would have done.  I've very busy with this model and it's a real shame that most, and I mean MOST of the stuff, will be unseen after it's all done.  If you are a super detailer, this kit is a real winner. 

    The kit's overall fit is good but I wish it would be better.  Some things are just a tad off here and there and I find myself in somewhat of a battle, making stuff line up.  Just like the last 1:32 Trumpeter kit I built, F4F-4 "Wildcat", this kit does not fall together like the Tamiya kits in 1:48 scale.  Anyway, here are a few progress shots of what I have done so far..

I got the fuselage together after a few marathon sessions.  Also the tail planes are attached as well as the rudder.  Some of the debris from scraping and sanding are still present, (apparently I didn't clean off the crap too well), so these pictures aren't too old.  The kit is sitting and drying as I write this.  I'll get more done tonight.

Thanks for looking and have a great day all!

Well, she's finally finished; Fearless Dick/ Wild Bette of the 395thFG/368thFS.

As always, constructive criticisms and questions are welcome

Enjoy!

-Fred

Freddie... that wiring harness looks great.

Fred... That is a fine looing Jug. 

It looks like you are correct John.  Hmmmm... I built a Has P-47 sometime back and I think I remember the prop being one piece, but I am probably wrong about that.  If so that's a neat trick Fred

A bit of progress... landing gear finished. A combo of kit, scratch, resin and PE. Next up is the decision... Alclad 1st then mask the invasion stripe? Or stripes 1st then mask over them?

Fred: nice build. Sorry for the pitch I always check the prop geometry making sure I do not mess up a leading with trailing edge of the prop.

Marc: nice work on the landing gear ! Will you tell me a trick with painting tires ? I tried my P11c tires with kind of mud effect, but I think I am going to repaint them. Do not look good.

John: you have a good eye for details John !!

Thanks Greg. I start with mix of flat black and Testor’s rubber in the little jar.   About 60/40 black/rubber to start.  Just want a hint of that rubber color.  I rub my thumb and 1^st  2 fingers on a brown, a gray and a tan chalk pastel and get them real dusty.  With the tire mounted on a toothpick, I spin the tire between my fingers getting it down in the treads and over the sidewalls.  This will rub off while handling the ties when you install them so some an be reapplied or a light coat of clear flat to help fix it.

wing_nut wrote:

It looks like you are correct John.  Hmmmm... I built a Has P-47 sometime back and I think I remember the prop being one piece, but I am probably wrong about that.  If so that's a neat trick Fred A bit of progress... landing gear finished. A combo of kit, scratch, resin and PE. Next up is the decision... Alclad 1st then mask the invasion stripe? Or stripes 1st then mask over them?

Sweet looking gear, Marc. About the stripes, this is what I do. Paint the entire area where your stripes will be white over primer. Mask for the black stripes and paint. When dry mask the entire striped area and spray the rest, whatever it may be. If you paint the base color first you have to mask the entire airframe while doing the stripes to protect the finish. This way you can be liberal with the stripe painting and then mask a much smaller area to do the base color.

Yeah HK... I been thinking about it and I think your way is the way to go.

Hey here's a question.  What about the wing pylon?  It;s right in the middle of the stripe son the bottom of the wing.  Bare metal?  White or black depending how it falls?  I'm thinking metal (and wishing I had not glued them in yet)

Hey guys, thanks for all the compliments (and pointing out my boneheadedness)

As for how the prop ended up backwards, well, that's a story all unto itself.  This was a 7 piece prop (4 blades, 2 hub halves and the spinner).  So after I assembled the blades and the hub, I started taking a closer look at hasegawa's instruction sheet.  Based on the drawings and part numbers, it looked like they were assembling a counter-clockwise rotating prop.  Despite my instincts, I decided to follow their instructions.  Apparently, they were confused.  But, I'm going to look through my meager collection for spare prop decals.  If I have them, this should be an easy fix.  I'll just sand the prop, pop the spinner, turn it around, repaint, re-decal and reattach the spinner.  And if that fails, I was PM'd a very generous offer by our own gzt (much appreciated, buddy ).

Marc, those are some sweet legs that bird is going to have.  I built the prop backwards on purpose because, umm, this bird flies in the southern hemisphere and there they have to fight propeller induced torque in the other direction, because that's the way the water goes down in the toilets

As for the stripes, here's what I did; since the alclad has to go on in multiple layers, I sprayed a lyer of alclad and let that dry.  Then I measured about where the invasion stripes were and painted a base coat of white.  The alclad undercoat reduced the number of white coats I had to paint.  After the white dried a few days, I masked of the white stripes and painted the black.  I took off the tape after about 10 minutes to avoid paint ridges.  I gave that a day or two to dry.  Then I used some paper and wrapped it aound the invasion stripes and taped it down along the edges.  Then I sprayed the remaining layers of alclad.

-Fred

wing_nut wrote:

Yeah HK... I been thinking about it and I think your way is the way to go.   Hey here's a question.  What about the wing pylon?  It;s right in the middle of the stripe son the bottom of the wing.  Bare metal?  White or black depending how it falls?  I'm thinking metal (and wishing I had not glued them in yet)

That definatley makes things more complicated. If they are glued real good and wont pop off I'd just put a strip of Tamiya tape around them, do my stripes and touch up the pylons with a brush and some MM aluminum. Follow with an effective weather and nobody would know the difference.

Hmmm, southern hemishpere Fred? I like it... quick thinking

For the pylons I figure I'll coat them with MicroMask liquid and just cut around the bottom 'cuas ethey are on there real solid. 

wing_nut wrote:

Hmmm, southern hemishpere Fred? I like it... quick thinking

It's the only way I know how

Well, I've got a small build update; after the required blood sacrifice to the model gods (maybe a bit too much blood), I managed to fix the prop issue.  Thankfully, the decals came off without affecting the paint.  I put on the spare decals, so I just have to weather it up and I'll post some new pics tonight.

-Fred

Wow, high standard you guys are setting here! I've got my work cut out for me.

I have a feeling with this being my first Jug I won't be doing any engine wiring. Heh.

and why not ? YOU CAN DO IT it is not a big deal

it is a good start. My Jug is my first and total of fourth kit I am building. And every time I see something interesting here, I want to implement it, even if it is though. If you spend 30 hours building a kit why not to spend two more hours and add a real hit ?

Here is a reference picture and more are available in this GB few pages back