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Official Ho229 Group Build

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:22 AM

Thunderbolt379

Guys, my HO is shiny, and she's getting tattood as we speak... Yeah, yeah, that's code for clearcoat is on and I'm doing the decals. I'm not sure about the kit decals, they're printed nicely but they don't want to part from the backing, and when they do they seem to bring some frosty background with them. I've started with stencil data and might take the insignia from Microscale German Fighter Crosses sheets instead...  I'll have pics soon.

Cheers, M/TB379

Post pics!  And get that avatar issue straightened out as well...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:05 AM

Yes Thunderbolt!

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, October 6, 2011 2:44 AM

Guys, my HO is shiny, and she's getting tattood as we speak... Yeah, yeah, that's code for clearcoat is on and I'm doing the decals. I'm not sure about the kit decals, they're printed nicely but they don't want to part from the backing, and when they do they seem to bring some frosty background with them. I've started with stencil data and might take the insignia from Microscale German Fighter Crosses sheets instead...  I'll have pics soon.

Cheers, M/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by p38jl on Monday, October 3, 2011 8:47 AM

Nice Tbolt !! Yes

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, October 3, 2011 7:24 AM

Thunderbolt379

Progress! The beast moves along apace...

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/MikeTheModeller/RevellGo229/DSCF0806.jpg

A few touchups and I'll be ready for clearcoats, decals and panel accents...

M/TB379

Looking good Thunderbolt!

Bad news - the only time I had on the weekend was (shame on me) spent detailing the cockpit of a Mirage.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 3, 2011 7:23 AM

Thunderbolt379

Progress! The beast moves along apace...

RLM 75 on yesterday:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/MikeTheModeller/RevellGo229/DSCF0789.jpg

A tiny bit pebbly, I adjusted the mix and it's a more confortable satin hereafter.

Digital splinter pattern masked today:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/MikeTheModeller/RevellGo229/DSCF0803.jpg

I touched up the preshade with flat black, then went ahead and laid on the RLM 74:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/MikeTheModeller/RevellGo229/DSCF0806.jpg

A few touchups and I'll be ready for clearcoats, decals and panel accents...

M/TB379

Nice---I'm digging your splinter-pattern...

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, October 3, 2011 7:00 AM

Progress! The beast moves along apace...

RLM 75 on yesterday:

A tiny bit pebbly, I adjusted the mix and it's a more confortable satin hereafter.

Digital splinter pattern masked today:

I touched up the preshade with flat black, then went ahead and laid on the RLM 74:

A few touchups and I'll be ready for clearcoats, decals and panel accents...

M/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:59 AM

Hi all, some progress to report (no pics yet).

Masking is underway, leading and trailing edges are done with tape and I'll stuff the exhausts with tissue. I might augment the preshade here and there, and I'm hoping to spray the RLM 75 tomorrow. I'll be working in Acryls; I've been spraying Acryls on an armour model in the last few days and I think I'm getting the hang of them. I'm thinking of using a more complex splinter pattern than the instructions provide, one of those created by digital artists for their photo-composites, and doing the masking hard-edge for simplicity.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:16 PM

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:08 PM

Yes thanks Nav... I got 2 more HO's in the stash..the day fighter version.. and a glider HO...might add one more..Whistling

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Posted by The Navigator on Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:01 PM

Manstein's revenge

 

 carsanab:

 

 

 p38jl:

also.. we have the now infamous... Night fightin HO with the gone but not forgotten.. "229" worked into the camo...[View:/themes/fsm/utility/http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx7/pthrtyeghtpic/overheaddonerear.jpg:550:0]

 

 

AKA "The Nocturnal Ho"

 

I love that HO and want to marry it...

 

That looks like the one in my stash, although I don't think it'll come out that nice. And we all know where the Nocturnal HO's are Wink

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:28 PM

carsanab

 p38jl:

also.. we have the now infamous... Night fightin HO with the gone but not forgotten.. "229" worked into the camo...[View:/themes/fsm/utility/http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx7/pthrtyeghtpic/overheaddonerear.jpg:550:0]

 

AKA "The Nocturnal Ho"

I love that HO and want to marry it...

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Posted by carsanab on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:26 PM

p38jl

also.. we have the now infamous... Night fightin HO with the gone but not forgotten.. "229" worked into the camo...[View:/themes/fsm/utility/http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx7/pthrtyeghtpic/overheaddonerear.jpg:550:0]

AKA "The Nocturnal Ho"

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Posted by p38jl on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:24 PM

also.. we have the now infamous... Night fightin HO with the gone but not forgotten.. "229" worked into the camo...[View:/themes/fsm/utility/Photobucket:550:0]

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:17 PM

In regards to Echo139er's question,  two aircraft got airborne, the unpowered V1 and the powered V2 that Erwin Ziller died in.  Looking at the photos of the V1, it looks like it was painted in a single dark green topside and RLM-65 or RLM-76 light blue underneath.  I know RLM-65 is the older, brighter blue, but I have read cases where development aircraft were allegedly painted in whatever stocks that were on hand including older colors.  The Schiffer book on the Ho-229 has a lot of good photos of the V1.

Clear photos of the V2 are few and of relatively poor quality, so making a determination of paint scheme and even markings is difficult.  I'd love to have someone respond with "you are wrong, Mr. Dumbfutz" and post links to nice clear photos.  Maybe someone in the former Sov-Bloc has all the good pictures and film footage.

I have a pet theory (only a hunch guys, not some statement based on authoritative documentation) that the V2 was actually powered by BMW, not Jumo engines.  The reason I say this is that the intakes were flush with the leading edge of the wings, which would be consistent with the smaller diameter BMWs.  The unfinished V3 which resides at Silver Hill has bulged intake lips, and most definitely is fitted with the larger Jumos.  Another pet theory is that the rectangular fairing that accomodates the V3's main wheels were a necessary modification to provide clearance for the Jumos.  The Ho-229 was initially to have been fitted with the BMWs , but according to several accounts, it was decided to switch to the more powerful Jumos.  My gut feeling is that the engine change went into effect on the V3, not V2.

Thus, the 1/48 DML and 1/72 RoG kits represent the H0-229 V3, not V2.  (And DML's two seater is based on the V6 airframe, I think.)  Since the V3 was never finished, the paint scheme is up for grabs.  Most likely the usual RLM 81/82-83/76 mix would apply.

HTH

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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Posted by carsanab on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:26 PM

Echo139er

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Horten-Ho229/IMAGES/Horten-Ho-229-Flying-Wing-Fighter-Bomber-Rendering.jpgI have some questions... Maybe they have been asked already but I really rather not read the entire thread looking for the answers. There is a lot of posts here.

My understanding of the HO229 is that only two protoypes actually flew.  That it never made it past "prototype status".  Is that correct?

Also, there is discussion here on the paint schemes, plural.  Is there an "official" paint scheme for the Horton? Or, because it never made into production any paint scheme, based on other German aircraft,  is fair game?

I came across this artist's rendition (above pic) which I think is rather.. uhm, awesome. 

I have a HO sitting here (a kit gents!); I might just crack it open and build it.  I have not decided yet.

 

 

I took the liberty, assuming like you said that none made it into production, and made my infamous Spotted Ho.....so GO FOR IT!!!!!!

GRL

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Posted by The Navigator on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:27 PM

Echo139er

I have 3 kits on the bench two of which are for GB... I can't start another....  Or can I Dang... Peer pressure is bee-otch!

We'll see.  I'll decide in a week or so.  I will let you know Nav.

Take your time, look at all the stuff on my plate!

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by Echo139er on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:24 PM

I have 3 kits on the bench two of which are for GB... I can't start another....  Or can I Dang... Peer pressure is bee-otch!

We'll see.  I'll decide in a week or so.  I will let you know Nav.

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Posted by The Navigator on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:19 PM

Echo- you do yours and I'll do mineBig Smile

7 more Echo and you'll get a gold coin.Yes

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by p38jl on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:09 PM

Ok Nav.. no comments..lol

Echo.. just do it man.. !! Yes

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Posted by The Navigator on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:52 AM

The one at the Smithsonian is dark gray(RLM 75) / RLM 76 splinter over RLM 76. And please, no talk of rubber hoses for the next week or so.Wink Sad.

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:47 AM

One prototype flew & then lost an argument with a stand of trees. Second prototype was on the verge, but was never airborne. I think (feel free to beat me with a rubber hose & correct me!) those two were green+green splinter camo. And yes, anything based on a Luftwaffe a/c is fair game.

Do it Echo!!!

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Posted by Echo139er on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:16 AM

I have some questions... Maybe they have been asked already but I really rather not read the entire thread looking for the answers. There is a lot of posts here.

My understanding of the HO229 is that only two protoypes actually flew.  That it never made it past "prototype status".  Is that correct?

Also, there is discussion here on the paint schemes, plural.  Is there an "official" paint scheme for the Horton? Or, because it never made into production any paint scheme, based on other German aircraft,  is fair game?

I came across this artist's rendition (above pic) which I think is rather.. uhm, awesome. 

I have a HO sitting here (a kit gents!); I might just crack it open and build it.  I have not decided yet.

 

 

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Posted by carsanab on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:48 AM

looking good bolt..watch out with those seams!!!!..is this the Dragon kit??

carlos

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:32 AM

Today's progress, RLM 76 applied:

This is a homebrew from Tamiya Acrylics. The prehsade is barely visible here, but it's there in reality, quite subtle.

I'll be changing my gas cyclinder tomorrow or the day after, then I can cruise to the finish. With the last available bar of pressure I can tidy up a few spots on this and other models, there are some prop blades to spray for a 109. Today's session included gear bay door exteriors for this and the 109. The gear bays will be masked and resprayed after main shades are complete, including clear coats.

I'll keep on plugging away, we might see a completion next week.

Cheers, Mike

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Posted by The Navigator on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:41 AM

T-Bolt- that HO's looking good. Glad to see everyone's making progress, we'll have to throw a gallery together when they're done. Yes

I have many books and my Lair smells of rich mahogany!!! Stay thirsty my fellow MOJOs!




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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:30 AM

The update - I will be alone all day Saturday while SWMBO & child are shopping in Bangor. Translation: V eats take-out & the table can be left set up all day for Ho-work, which will involve all sorts of sawing, scraping & sanding w/ dust everywhere. I should have pics for the following Monday. (Have I mentioned that I hate building at the kitchen table?!?! Bang Head)

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by carsanab on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:26 AM

nice work Thunder......we will see if Vance can keep up....how them leading edges coming along??Whistling

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:58 AM

I have yet to have much luck with pre-shading, I suppose I'm laying on too much paint in the top-coat. Looking good, your Ho with the yellow nose! Wink

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:39 AM

Preshaded , both surfaces, with Tamiya NATO Black (I cleaned the AB and freshened the needle tip again...)

Let's see if any of it shows through...

M/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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