ME-262: Reich Defender II 10/09-7/10

Daywalker wrote:

Dirk!  Would you like me to add you to the roster, or as a possible for now?  I'll add you to the "possible" list for right now until I hear back.

I need to see what good 1/72 scale Me262's there are out there. Any suggestions? Add ons for said 1/72?

Doing research on the net for this build have found a few pics. Enjoy....

A wrecked Me109 lifted atop an Me262 . The Messerschmitt,
is a Bf109G10/U2 model, WerkNummer 6?2169. Wondering why the cross insignia is a little
unusual? It's because it's the Hungarian cross and this particular plane [known to historians as
"Black 12" (the number on the fuselage)] was actually flown by the Hungarian Air Force.

Kannichiwa, Jason

Dirkpitt289 wrote:

Daywalker wrote: Dirk!  Would you like me to add you to the roster, or as a possible for now?  I'll add you to the "possible" list for right now until I hear back. I need to see what good 1/72 scale Me262's there are out there. Any suggestions? Add ons for said 1/72?

Hmmm... My favorite scale and topic.  The three mainstream choices are Hasegawa, Revell AG and Academy.  The Revell kit is very well detailed inside and out and are a fraction of the cost of the Hasegawa and Academy kits.  They build up fairly nice too with the only knock against them being a thick windshield that's harder to see through.  The Hasegawa kit is an easy build with a fairly simple interior.  The Academy kit is the new kid on the block and it certainly looks very nice in the box but I haven't built it yet so I can't say how well it goes together. The Academy kit also has decals for 12 different aircraft and a different tail section for the Me 262C-1a with the rocket engine in the tail .  Both Hasegawa and Revell have a two seater nightfighter version but not Academy.  Some more obscure versions of the 262 were kitted by MPM but they are getting harder to find.  As for AM stuff you can get the usual PE sets from Eduard.  They have a pretty nice set for the new Academy kit.  Not sure what is all out there in terms of resin beyond the usual wheel sets etc.

Hope this helps.

Great pics Jason, especially like the last one with the close-up of the puttied-over panel ines.

I finished cleaning up all of the parts on my little 1/144 Eduard -262A-1a, even managed to add the gauges to the IP.  Believe it or not, this little gem has all of the gear doors, actuators, and even details on the landing gear!

 Uh Frank? My 13 Yr old came in here and saw that and decided he was gonna build his now?  Really I didn't say a word about it? He just saw it in his hand.  I told him he had better clean his room 1st? 

Went digging thru the Graveyard today WarHammer!  Found what was left of my Monogram kit from  when I was still a school boy in Ohio!

 Old and beat up but it can give you an idea of what the Monogram kit has to offer, Get past the teenage paint job and it has some pretty nice details.

As far as the  Hasegawa Kit? I had no idea it was that old Karl?  Odd they charge so much for it being so old a kit? Explains a lot.  Guess my only gripe is why they charge so much for an old kit? Probably cuz of goofs like me?

 Your passing me up as all day today has been elbow grease and more elbow grease.

 Actually it's cruel what I do to this bird!

 I tell ya it is a DOG of a kit!  But I'll beat it!

 ( no animals were harmed during the making of this motion picture)

Aaron- Great work on beating the dog into submission but will the Elves get dizzy from the ceiling fan???

Frank here is a link for more pics of the bird.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/checkingout262.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/date/2005/06&usg=__C39hOV6QQChbeSMWJ68xmrut7Uk=&h=553&w=673&sz=79&hl=en&start=49&um=1&tbnid=JYZvD_z1fwnIdM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=138&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwrecked%2Bme%2B262%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_enJP336JP336%26sa%3DN%26start%3D42%26um%3D1

Kannichiwa, Jason

Aaron, love the model dryer!    That's awesome. 

I got in the zone tonight!  It's been a long time since I've really tackled a kit with such gusto.  Must have been something in the pizza tonight.  Anyway, major assembly is complete and now its sanding and filler.  Managed to get a sizable gap on one wing to fuselage join but nothing a little gap filling CA can't handle. 

I glued all of the fuselage together including the gun port cover and then did the Doh! when I realized I had forgotten the nose weight.  Oh well, I thought, I can stick some weight in the engine nacelles.  Do you think I would remember... Doh(2) - It's Aaron's fault for making me thinkk I should be building faster!  So out came the knife and I was able to get the gun cover off without damaging anything.  Whew!  Baring anymore hamfistedness I might even get some paint on it this weekend. 

Looking good, Dave. I got the wings glued together and the seat stuck to the floor, but noticed a horrendous sink mark in the seat. Puttied it and got held up waiting for it to dry. Dry fit the halves together and see there's no point in any side wall detail as it totally invisible. I'm about to search for belt pics, if I find any i'll post em. Where's the gap? Guess I'll find out tomorrow.

A new linkie:

http://newsite.ipmssa.za.org/content/view/284/28/

Excellent work, Dave......great save on the nose weight too! 

There's a lot of great going on in this build, I can't wait to join in. I just have to finish up another build I'm involved with first. Looking forward to it.

Keep up the great work guys!

Nate

Aaron, Your 262 is going supersonic! Im loving the ceiling drying attachment. I take it its still sweltering there?

Jason, Excellent pics. Aero Detail 5, if im not mistaken? I love the story from the guy trying to find the U/C release. Ill bet that shocked the crap out of him. He prolly wasnt wearing the seat belts either. Geez that could have killed the man. I think the Purple heart was the least they could have given him.

Dave, Your a beast in that (Alleged) devine scale. Shes looking to be the 1st finished build. (Thatll get Sarge riled) Good catch on the nose weight.

Bondlikins, Great link. Its funny ive read loads of pilots testimonies on the 262 and it was all good. They accepted the long laborious take offs and landings but it was the measure of untouchability and the fact they were so fast that really made them love the plane. I cant remember who, but one test pilot likened flying the 262 to be pushed along by angels. Also they loved the quietness of the cockpit. From the year dot, engines were right infront of these guys pushing immense horsepower. Think of the noise. Then came the jets. Outboard and quiet. They must have felt like Gods. Zipping past escort mustangs at over 100mph.

...Guy

Loads of great progress guys.

Dave, good save on the nose weight.

Looking good too.

Mike, that nose bay looks spot on.

Liking the idea of the NMF intakes, very common on 262s.

WarHammer, the v5 had a fixed tricycle undercarriage, as Fritz Wendel, the test pilot on the 262 programme, had found it neccesary to dab the brakes during the take off run to get the tail up.

Guy, it was Galland who likened flying the 262 to being pushed by angels.

Karl

AAAAACK!!!  If I said I was going to build a 1/350 US Carrier with full PE and an entire squadron of tiny Corsairs, you'd say "My 13 year old built his overnight" or "My 13 year old built his in his sleep"!   I see you unravelled a pair of your frilly pink undies to make a model drying hanger.   Hmmm...

Daywalker wrote:

Frank -  What brand of  cereal did you get that from. ? (keep your eyes open for something the same scale but in Japanese from a poster here on the forums )

Aaron - your HaseG 262 looks pretty good tied up there. Nice touch the "pink" bondage rope Did you use that "Tamiya" primer on that ? For some reason I cant buy that up here, must be because we are so close to Canada or something like that..

Dave - You got the mojo going ! Its a good feeling to get into that groove where you actually get a lot of quality work done in a short time.  No doubt you will be making all of us envious in a few days with your A/B skills ..

 WoW Dave you got moving really quick!  Then had to back track too!  WOW!  Your going have us all rushing our builds soon I bet!

 Hey Guy ! You mentioned a  difference in the Landing gear similar to the P-40 in the B-1a/U versions?  Due to space being taken up with weapons and equipment?  Would this also be true of the 2 seater night fighter?  I know they used drop tanks to replace the fuel tank removed to make room for the second seat but wondered about the Gear change?

 I am as lost as a Luftwaffe expert trying to build a Corsair I swear!

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Aaron, if there is a difference in the landing gear for the B-1a/U1 version Hasegawa didn't catch it on this kit.  Same landing gear as the A-1a.

Bill, I have the same sink marks in my seats but as I am going to use Hans ans Frans I figured they won't be seen.

Frank, Can't wait to see what you do with that little monster.  I remember wingnut making some wierd Zwilling Mistel contraption with that kit before he went over to the dark side.

Just so you all know I am extremely disappointed in the whole lot of you.  I glued the control stick in backwards and not one of you said a peep!    Oh well, easily fixed.

My biggest problem right now is that I have no RLM 02 for the gear bays.    I'll have to go over to the LHS later today to see what they have though he doesn't stock much in the way of milittary colours (mostly train and RC).

razordws wrote:

Dirkpitt289 wrote:  Daywalker wrote: Dirk!  Would you like me to add you to the roster, or as a possible for now?  I'll add you to the "possible" list for right now until I hear back. I need to see what good 1/72 scale Me262's there are out there. Any suggestions? Add ons for said 1/72? Hmmm... My favorite scale and topic.  The three mainstream choices are Hasegawa, Revell AG and Academy.  The Revell kit is very well detailed inside and out and are a fraction of the cost of the Hasegawa and Academy kits.  They build up fairly nice too with the only knock against them being a thick windshield that's harder to see through.  The Hasegawa kit is an easy build with a fairly simple interior.  The Academy kit is the new kid on the block and it certainly looks very nice in the box but I haven't built it yet so I can't say how well it goes together. The Academy kit also has decals for 12 different aircraft and a different tail section for the Me 262C-1a with the rocket engine in the tail .  Both Hasegawa and Revell have a two seater nightfighter version but not Academy.  Some more obscure versions of the 262 were kitted by MPM but they are getting harder to find.  As for AM stuff you can get the usual PE sets from Eduard.  They have a pretty nice set for the new Academy kit.  Not sure what is all out there in terms of resin beyond the usual wheel sets etc. Hope this helps.

razordws wrote:

Just so you all know I am extremely disappointed in the whole lot of you.  I glued the control stick in backwards and not one of you said a peep!    Oh well, easily fixed.

 WHat?!!?!?!?!?!  OOOO NO I saw that and glued all my control sticls that way cuz I thought I was wrong!!!!!  Oh NNNPOOOOOO!

Thanks Dave now I have to go play with my sticks again! Jeeze!

 Maybe you can borrow some of Frank's Rlm 02 Interior Japanese Green  He probably only uses about a drop or toothpick full for that 262? 

 Hmmmm Elbow greasing away!   Starting to agree more and more with Frank's approach!

Guy has the secret info on the Gear leg diffs as well!  Someone wake him up!

Ok here is my story for the day. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. I took a trip to my LHS to see what I could find in the way of a 1/72 Me 262. First I went to check out what kinds of Photo Etch they had and for what kits. It turns out they had 4 different sets of PE. 1 for the Hasegawa, 1 for the Academy and 2 for 2 different Revell sets, 1 of witch is for the 2 seater night fighter which I am kind drawn to. Next I went to where the 1/72 kits were located. To my surprise they didn't have any 262's at all. Eventually I found a Dragon 262 for $22 but if you remember there was no PE for it. While I don't have to have PE I really like working with it and it adds some what of a challenge for the build. 

Now here are my options, the owner can order me the Revell Night fighter for $9 + $12 for the PE. Or I could just buy the Dragon fighter for $22 and no PE. It was explained to me by the owner that the Dragon is a much better kit. You guys are the experts on this topic so which do you think I should get? The Revell would be in by next Friday. 

Im here, JUST. What a night. I had the trip from hell (On the bus) Picked up about 30 drunken fancy dressers who thought the bell was to bring them more beer or something. They had enough on them already so it couldnt have been that. There singing contest got a bit boring after an hour or so of it, and it seemed the longer i yelled at them the louder they sang. Geez. Aah well home now, yet Wingus or Dingus has eaten my One cube of chocolate that my diet allows me. Now wheres my size 11 dog kicking wellies?

Sir Aaron of Pharmasootical land, The 2 seaters had the same UC as the rest of the single seaters. They were modified from single seater. The one im doing had the wheel turn to lie flat, to give more room for the enormous breech of the cannon.

Check out Billy Bondlikins' link to the South African 2 seater. Turn this link below up really loud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAsGmHjdlTA&feature=player_embedded

The last one is a, conventionally operating UC'ed, 2 seater. The others are the U4,

...Guy

Dirkpitt289 wrote:

Now here are my options, the owner can order me the Revell Night fighter for $9 + $12 for the PE. Or I could just buy the Dragon fighter for $22 and no PE. It was explained to me by the owner that the Dragon is a much better kit.

Dragon has a 1/72 scale Me 262???  The only one I am aware of by Dragon is 1/48 scale.  In any case, Dragon aircraft models have a history of beautifully detailed models that don't fit together.  Personally, I would stick with the Revell kit.

 Ok dokey I got the pics and the understanding now Guy Thanks a bunch you were a big help there and I salute your greek god modeling mind if not your flapping in the breeze appearance although I think I have seen several greek statues like that!

 I'm with Dave there Dirk!  Wow Alliteration!  Anyways Dragon has not the greatest batting record with aircraft! The Revell and PE I think is the best deal and the most enjoyment or frustration for the $! That's my 2 cents!

Ok Day 3 of elbow grease and I think I am about to the painting stage.

Defining elbow grease with raised details is a dif approach for me. To explain  lets look!

 The larger holes were filled with tresters clear parts cement a white glue. When dried it held sucessive coats of CA and  accelerator, bit by bit seam by endless seam I used this process.

Sanded it smooth as I could wet sanding with an emery board and using white primer to really show the flaws!

 After it all dried I used a good coat of Mr Surfacer 1000 to build up and cover the things I just couldn't smooth over without destroying the raised details. Let that dry. Then a quick wet sanding with fine sand paper. enough to kinda polish but smooth the brush lines. OOO shiney! Its the Future!

Then this is the main diff with raised details. To smooth out any remaining sand marks and brush strokes a double heavy coat of Future was applied. Pretty heavy. Any runs were left to dry and smoothed over with a cotton Q-tip and windex when dried.

Then all dry a final complete coating of White primer over the future and final inspection.  It's all white now as I snapped these while waiting the drying times, The Future self levels filling small impections but the raised details still come through like a champ!  Recessed details would be filled up and smoothed out by this process!

What little there is is easy enough to bring back out with a simple scribe when it is completely dried. But it does take time to smooth out the unsmoothable!

So now all white and happy with the seams or lack of them now! When dry I am ready to paint  er up!  Uh what colors were they? Duh?

WO Aaron great work and shes looking great. I havent even taken the box out of the stash yet and your almost done. Might get started next week

Steve

sidure wrote:

WO Aaron great work and shes looking great. I havent even taken the box out of the stash yet and your almost done. Might get started next week Steve

Not near being finished I am afraid Steve, I think Karl and Dave got me beat!  It's ok  not a race  everyone knows FRAnk would win anyways!

 Got everything roughly put together and tacked with white glue just to check the fit and the work I have done so far.

 It is all white and drying ready for the paint shop when she drys overnight. Trying to take advantage of the nice weather while I have it.

 There still are details that must be added to the wheel wells and gun bays. The left engine I plan on exposing as well so as you can see by the gaps.

 Yeah Dave it is a big one. Each one of those Squares it is sitting on is 1/2 an inch.  Probably a 15 inch wingspan  across an close to that in lenghth as well. I followed your lead an put in the nose weights and started painting her up! The light blue gray German RLM color really  shows up well against the white. I am glad I chose to prime it white instead of gray. 

Trying to research the wings a bit. The paint instructions are useless nothing shown and the box art doesn't give much clues either.  Hard edged splinter?  The Fuselage looks to be  TheRLM 82 lighter green splotches with Gray violet mottle. But the top and the wings?   say Dark green and Black green splinter?  What do you all think! I am gonna let it dry and set up until I figure it out!

Well I opened the box and looked at the instructions. 

Aaron can we see an update on what your display looks like?  You've built what 20 in the last 6 months

I dont think theres anyone who can not love the shape of the 262. Whats the saying? 'It looks like its going a hundred miles an hour, standing still' (Or sat in the box)

Aaron, your so kicking a## on this build. She looks fantastic too. I had a glance at my stash and realised i have an Airfix 1/72 262. (Thats pricked Daves ears up) Geez, it even comes with glue and paints!! Also i have a 1/144th from some manu that escapes me. Doesnt look half as nicely detailed as Frankengenius's. Dont tell his lordship, but the Corsair is almost done, so ill be here building shortly. Yey, i hear you cry?...Well....wheres the yey?

 Oi...I heard a Geezus!

...Guy

Heres an idea BTW for my coclour scheme, whatcha reckon,

Do you reckon it would have a splinter on the top wing?

...Guy