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Posted by mark983 on Monday, July 14, 2008 2:55 PM
 luftwaffle wrote:
 mark983 wrote:

Help me understand the whole German marking system!  I've noticed looking at the different Stuka units, they all have a specific letter and number before the cross...for instance..2./Stg.77 would use S2 + EN.....any rhyme or reason for the EN..is it a random designation for an individual aircraft...because another in that same group might be S2 + HL...any info to help me understand their system would be apprieciated.

Mark

The first two letters denote the Geschwader (Wing), the third letter is the aircraft identifier (bombers used letters rather than the numbers fighters used) and the last letter is the Staffel identifier (fighters would use different color numbers to designate the Staffel).

 

Thanks Mike...that helps...me gets it now!!

Mark

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Posted by soulcrusher on Monday, July 14, 2008 11:50 AM

Aaron that is a damn fine job there on that Do 17. it seems a shame that I'll have to fill it up with holes  from my 8 .303 in my  Hurricane. Unless your escort planes come to the rescue. i better finish my Hurricane before you get to much help!

Frank looks like she is coming along nicely. that mottleing on the fuselage is always the toughest part of the build. it can make or break the model. With your patience and skill I am sure you will nail it. Do'nt take to long though Aaron out there with his six exposed and I'm getting closer to flight status!

                                                                            Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by soulcrusher on Monday, July 14, 2008 11:40 AM
 Luftwoller wrote:
 soulcrusher wrote:

Looking good there Guy. What color are you using for the underside. Hellblau or Litchblau? I think the Hellblau is a cooler shade of blue. I've been trying to find info on where the less popular Hellblau was used so I can build something that utilises that shade of blue. Looking foward to seeing here with all here colors and decals. I am fighting the urge to pull out my 109 E nightfighter but everytime i see some pics of the 109's being built here I have to open up the box and drool over the parts! First must... fight ...urge to ...start another kit....must finish other ...commitments first.....help! I think I have Me109itis!

                                                                                      Soulcrusher

The blue is Hellblau and i agree it is a nicer shade. For a good reference for what 109's used it get this book.

Its a cracker and has possibly every different colour scheme of the early 109's.

Aaron, as for the English chap that was under your bed.. I dont think it was me. Im fairly sure of my whereabouts last night, but to be on the safe side, did he look like this...

Me!!! (With now departed beard)

...Guy

I thought it was the darker of the two but sometimes exposures and screen displays can make a color appear lighter or darker. I have to agree with you about that reference book on the early series of 109's. I bought it about a year ago and it is one of my favorite reference books. In my opinion it is one of the most complete and well put together refernce book i have read on any  plane. By the way Guy was that your missing beard i found under my bed when i flipped the matress the other day or is the misses taken to shaving? If you want it back I would be willing to ship it by postal if you whish!Big Smile [:D]

 

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Posted by luftwaffle on Monday, July 14, 2008 10:37 AM

Aaron- Well done, really like the way that came out! 

I see your decal sheet went with the pink ID markings theory.  Kind of interesting, the sheet that I just picked up for mine had them pink on the placement sheet but white on the decal sheet.  Somebody must have changed their mind at some point.  I think your placement of markings on the wings is correct too, I made a guess based on what info I could find but I think I blew it, oh well...Shock [:O]

Anyway, great work!

Frank- Nice mottles my friend, shaping up to be another beauty!

aka Mike, The Mikester My Website

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Posted by luftwaffle on Monday, July 14, 2008 8:59 AM
 mark983 wrote:

Help me understand the whole German marking system!  I've noticed looking at the different Stuka units, they all have a specific letter and number before the cross...for instance..2./Stg.77 would use S2 + EN.....any rhyme or reason for the EN..is it a random designation for an individual aircraft...because another in that same group might be S2 + HL...any info to help me understand their system would be apprieciated.

Mark

The first two letters denote the Geschwader (Wing), the third letter is the aircraft identifier (bombers used letters rather than the numbers fighters used) and the last letter is the Staffel identifier (fighters would use different color numbers to designate the Staffel).

aka Mike, The Mikester My Website

"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."   -Winston Churchill

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Monday, July 14, 2008 8:33 AM

Aaron,  Very nice work on the Dornier.  I'm impressed with the fit if the glass parts you achieved.  I built one eons ago & never got the glass as nice as yours.

Frank,  Looking good.  The mottle looks fine from here.

Regards,  Rick

RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by mark983 on Monday, July 14, 2008 6:29 AM

Help me understand the whole German marking system!  I've noticed looking at the different Stuka units, they all have a specific letter and number before the cross...for instance..2./Stg.77 would use S2 + EN.....any rhyme or reason for the EN..is it a random designation for an individual aircraft...because another in that same group might be S2 + HL...any info to help me understand their system would be apprieciated.

Mark

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Posted by Luftwoller on Monday, July 14, 2008 2:55 AM

Aaron, that is one sweet Dornier. She looks fantastic. Any chance of snapping a few pics outside? It may be my monitor but the pics look very dark. Also great story on your plane. Not heard that before. Thx for posting. And as for the chap under your bed. I think thats my mum.

Frank, shes looking nice, my friend. Mottling looks cool beans too.

Ive got an hour before i go to work. Im going to try to get the splinter done before. Wish me luck LOL.

...Guy

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, July 14, 2008 1:01 AM

OK fellas, I managed to finish the paint work tonight on my '109.  I was really struggling with the mottle on this one, not sure what was going on but it was giving me fits to start.  All in all, I am happy with it and can't wait to put some decals down soon! Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:54 PM
 sfcmac wrote:

I have both those books on the 109 they do have about every profile and info you can think of. I think Frank has one on the Stuka which I hadn't seen before. I agree they are a most excellent reference.

Yep, I love those books!  I also have the two '109 editions, the FW-190, and the Stuka.  I don't have any of the allied ones, though. Disapprove [V]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:50 PM
Outstanding work Aaron!  Man, that is one sweeeeet looking Dornier.  Glad that Stan has his '109 ready for escort duty, as mine isn't quite ready yet.  A few more finishing touches in the paint shop, then we're almost ready for decals! Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by razordws on Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:52 PM
Looks like it was worth all the effort Aaron.  Looks great to me Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Dave

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Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:45 PM

Well fellows I think it is time to call this one completed. Tried to snap a few pics before the sunset so they are a bit rushed but I think you can see most of it. The only remaining question I had was on the wire ariels. Looks like there may only be one single wire to one tail fin but I put on two as it is just a snip fix if wrong. Touched up the paint and here it is!

Sign - Oops [#oops] Looks a little off huh? Sorry wrong folder..... try again! Drum roll please..........

 Then I had a little fun and used the BOB movie as a background.

  I wanted to include a brief history I borrowed from a review by Steven Eisenman this is a great story worth reading that is not included in the kit.

F1+FH:  1. / KG 76, September, 1940.  This aircraft was piloted by Oblt. Robert Zehbe.  This is the Do 17 that has become the subject of a great and glamorous myth as a result of a T.V. show.

Intending to bomb Buckingham Palace, Zehbe's aircraft was rammed at the last minute by a Hawker Hurricane piloted by Sgt. Raymond Holmes.  Zehbe and Homes both floated to earth on parachutes and Buckingham Palace was spared and the King and Queen saved.  "Long live the King!"

Now for the actual history.  On 15 September 1940, Zehbe was on his way to bomb Central London, approaching from the South-East, and then a dog-leg west.  On route he encountered engine trouble and lagged behind the formation by about a half-mile.  The Hurricanes of 310 Squadron quickly jumped the straggler, but failed to shot down Zehbe's aircraft.

As Zehbe approached South London his left engine was on fire. He was jumped by Hurricanes of 609 Squadron and 504 Squadron.  The effort to bring Zehbe down was so intense that it seems 609 Squadron complained that 504 Squadron was interfering in its efforts.

Two of Zehbe's crewman bailed out, the gunner was dead.  Zehebe's aircraft was then attacked by Holme's Hurricane, and Zehbe bailed out.  Holme's wing may have struck the Dornier at that point.  Holmes bailed out of the damaged Hurricane.  The Dornier, engulfed in flames, began to spin wildly out of control.  The outer wing panels broke off and the fuselage broke in two.  A good part of the aircraft came down in Fulham, with other parts falling on Victoria Station.  It is believed that one of the bombs flung out of the spinning aircraft, landed on the grounds of Bucking ham Palace.  Robert Zehbe died from his wounds the next day.

 In conclusion I will say I really like the decals. Look good work good but as far as the kit goes I don't know if there is that great a diff from the old Hobbycraft one to make it worth 3 times more. If someone made some good after market guns and details the HobbyCraft one would probably get my vote as it is when you have to make stuff and research things to the level needed I have to ask myself why they want over 60 bucks for this beast.SoapBox [soapbox] Enough griping I hope y'all like it!Bow [bow]

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Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:13 PM

 Maybe not Guy I never got to see his face. Only the painted fingers and the voice. Don't think I could forget those eyes though.  Kinda F4U Corsair blue. Here is one of me with the now departed uniform. I am the tall bloke in green. Hands on hip frowning as usual.

I have both those books on the 109 they do have about every profile and info you can think of. I think Frank has one on the Stuka which I hadn't seen before. I agree they are a most excellent reference.

 Update Got a pic of the elusive under the bed fellow. I don't know if you compare the photos do you have an alibi Guy? Hey that rhymed! I sure hope he has a sense of humor he looks like a large fellow.Black Eye [B)]

 

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:55 PM
 soulcrusher wrote:

Looking good there Guy. What color are you using for the underside. Hellblau or Litchblau? I think the Hellblau is a cooler shade of blue. I've been trying to find info on where the less popular Hellblau was used so I can build something that utilises that shade of blue. Looking foward to seeing here with all here colors and decals. I am fighting the urge to pull out my 109 E nightfighter but everytime i see some pics of the 109's being built here I have to open up the box and drool over the parts! First must... fight ...urge to ...start another kit....must finish other ...commitments first.....help! I think I have Me109itis!

                                                                                      Soulcrusher

The blue is Hellblau and i agree it is a nicer shade. For a good reference for what 109's used it get this book.

Its a cracker and has possibly every different colour scheme of the early 109's.

Aaron, as for the English chap that was under your bed.. I dont think it was me. Im fairly sure of my whereabouts last night, but to be on the safe side, did he look like this...

Me!!! (With now departed beard)

...Guy

..'Your an embarrassment to the human genus, makes me ashamed to call myself Homo'.
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Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:31 PM

Wow I am just a post hog! I just wanted to give an update that I have found my hub cover! Oh joy now I can finish the task!

 Some odd fellow under my bed with an English accent handed it to me? Not sure who he was but his hands had freshly sprayed RLM 65 all er them. Also said he was enjoying the library down thereQuestion [?] Cheerio!

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Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:13 PM

 Ok let me say working with ity bitty parts while spider venom is attacking your nervous system is way cool!Party [party] I highly recommend it along with forgeting your parachute. I did want to get some pics up of the scratch work I have done. Even put teeny tiny brass photo etch circles and pins on the MG's all six of them. Ack! The pitot tube is fuzzy but I mean how excited can one get about a pitot tube?Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:53 PM

Guy, Aaron, Frank, excellent progress guys! Mikester, simply stunning work on the Dornier!! Two enthusiastic Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup] !!

Darren, I'm relieved that your wife is home and on her way to recovery! Been there myself and I know how nerve wracking it can be.

As for myself, the garage is still taking up most of my free time, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. I'm really enjoying looking at what everyone else has done so far. Simply great work fellas! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

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Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:51 AM
 Luftwoller wrote:

LOL. sorry Aaron, that lump under your bed isnt me! Its your enormous stack of alternative gentlemens magazines, Like Suzanna York Appreciaters Bimonthly LOL.

Mike, Your Dornier looks great fella. Im Loving it. Whos kit is it? CA?

...Guy

 

 Guy.....Shock [:O] An old soldier like me with girlie mags under the bed? Really that is like acusing a Dalmation of having spots!  I actually did find one such mag under there (while searching for a hub cover. It is a Playboy mag from Nov 1965 that I had as a prop for the we were soldiers movie. It is pretty safe by todays standards as you can see more skin in a womens cosmo mag today. You can buy a new Ford Mustang for $3000 as well.

 Great work on the Emil Guy ! I am looking forward to seeing this neglected Heinkle III come back from the dead. Sounds like you got all the goodies for it. Wish there was such things for my kit but alas I am left to my imagination. ( Scary thought )

 Thanks for the well wishes Karl the bite is ok but that neurotoxin is nasty. Once over the headache and nausea you get this achy feeling now its a back ache.  It's almost as bad as having 109itious. Back to searching for my hub. Meanwhile here is an off topic pic.

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Posted by soulcrusher on Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:23 AM

Looking good there Guy. What color are you using for the underside. Hellblau or Litchblau? I think the Hellblau is a cooler shade of blue. I've been trying to find info on where the less popular Hellblau was used so I can build something that utilises that shade of blue. Looking foward to seeing here with all here colors and decals. I am fighting the urge to pull out my 109 E nightfighter but everytime i see some pics of the 109's being built here I have to open up the box and drool over the parts! First must... fight ...urge to ...start another kit....must finish other ...commitments first.....help! I think I have Me109itis!

                                                                                      Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by luftwaffle on Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:34 AM

Thanks for the comments guys.

Frank- Looking good!

Guy- My Do-17 is the venerable Monogram kit in 1/72, almost pre-dates the BoB. Big Smile [:D]

Your Emil is coming along quite nicely!

aka Mike, The Mikester My Website

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:05 AM

Looking good Guy.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:35 AM

Thx Frank, I represent those remarks Big Smile [:D]

As for my 109, i just shot the RLM 02. Ill give that a day to cure and then mask and spray the camo. Then, future, decals and weathering....Woo hoo... Then He 111p with loads of resin and PE.

You can just make out the preshade.

 

I love this hobby.

...Guy

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:13 AM

Guy- You nutty fella! LOL...

I actually sprayed the yellow nose first, then the RLM 65 before masking for the RLM 02.  Next up, the RLM 71.  Thanks for looking! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:43 AM

LOL. sorry Aaron, that lump under your bed isnt me! Its your enormous stack of alternative gentlemens magazines, Like Suzanna York Appreciaters Bimonthly LOL.

Mike, Your Dornier looks great fella. Im Loving it. Whos kit is it? CA?

...Guy

 

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Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:16 AM

Mike, great progress on the Dornier, it looks stunning.

I really like the heavy exhaust staning which so many Luftwaffe aircraft seemed to have.

Aaron,hope that bite clears up soon.

Progress Update

Most of the glass work is now on the He111.

I had a little trouble with one of the parts for the nose glazing, as when I Futured it a few years back. I let the Future build up in one of the locating ledges, and then could understand why it didn't fit!

Should be fit for a coat of primer this afternoon.

Karl

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:42 AM

 Hey what are you under my bed spying Guy? I think you are looking at Mike's Dornier as I haven't posted any decal pics......... yet! Soon though.Shock [:O] Step away from the the GLUE!!!

 I know I am not one to talk. I got bit by a black widow spider and stayed home from work tonight. Funny how one little bug can make you get so sick isn't it? Oh well I am feeling better tonight now.

Frank  that is definite progress. You must be nearly finished on your Spitfire I bet. Can't wait.. I am almost there myself got the decals all on and everything is painted. If I can find my prop cover ( I'll look tommorrow, been lazy) All I have left is to add some detail to the guns and lace up some antenna wires. Seems like the Dorniers and 1 Me-109 is leading off the attack with a Stuka not far behind. Yo ho!Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by Luftwoller on Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:38 AM

Aaron your Dornier is looking soo sweet fella. All the decals really set it apart. The splinter has come out great as well.

Frank, the 109 is looking great as well. Is it just me or are you spraying the Top colours 1st? I was always told to do the lightest colours 1st. If im talking nutz please ignmore muy last comment LOL.

...Guy

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Posted by sidure on Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:03 AM

Darren, glad to hear all is well with your wife and glad she is back home.

Mike, that dornier is very nice. Like all the work youve done to the finish and I have to remember that sequence of finishes. Looks great.

Steve

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, July 13, 2008 12:01 AM

Mike,

WOW!  That Dornier is looking awesome mate.  I like the subtle dusting, and the decals look very good.  Well done, coming along beautifully! Thumbs Up [tup]

I masked off the '109 tonight, and am getting ready to spray the first top camo color.  So far, so good! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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